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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenmarel" data-source="post: 2560426">So it's bad form to have left it open? Again a difference of opinion. To me it wasn't just a summarization of a past event but also the opening for futher discussion that couldn't take place in an hour-long seminar. Sorry for not using the quotes didn't feel like it since I'm about half asleep.  Further discussion on this topic has taken place in many threads.  Some have pointed to Tharivious' thread, I believe Nugan had one or two and several other players that I can't remember.  These threads, though noble in their intent NEVER change a thing.  As I and a few of the folks that posted on this thread have stated the ones that truly need to read the posts aren't looking at the forums or ignoring the advice given.  Usually what I've seen, and others that have followed the "self help" threads, is that usually bad feelings develop.  One player gets tired of reading about noobs making bad mistakes so makes one about fogeys thinking they know everything, fogey replies using bits and pieces of actions or comments from the other player's rp sessions, noob gets ticked pm's fogey with hateful message but not enough to get noob banned, fogey informs friends of problem and they promptly avoid noob.  That is what comes from these topics.  That is the reality of the situation.  As I said before people are going to do what they want, when they want and how they want no matter how many times someone comes up with posts telling them they are doing it wrong.  What makes people think that just because this is a "new" thread that the facts will change?Seriously go through the topics and look who posts.  You have the same people over and over again with a new person, often times just using a new name so others won't truly know who is doing the talking, every now and then.  I had one new player after visiting the forums on my behest inform me "good lord what do the players expect everyone to be a professional roleplayer or something?  sheesh I thought I was going to have fun trying this out but the boards make it sound like work and not fun".  He went on with references to a post saying be original and unique but stay away from "odd" things.  Don't most view original and unique as odd at first he asked me.  He then commented on the fact that the topic had several posts about powerful characters and not to play them saying well from what I've seen there really isn't a weak character, they act weak and a description could even say they are weak but when something goes down suddenly they are the battlemasters of legend ready to slay anything that stands in their way.......must be that everyone is a master of deception.  Funny thing was I couldn't really offer any arguments to his observations.  Even the people that post about not playing  powerful characters play them.  So why should a noob listen to what they say in a topic supposedly to help them be a better roleplayer?  If you truly want the new rpers or the ones that might have some time around but are struggling to become better lead by example as was stated earlier.  Don't tell a new player to not play a powerful character when you yourself sign in with a character powerful enough that deities would start to take notice.  Don't ask them to make their characters vulnerable in combat when you make a character that can only be killed by the sting of a red, purple and black striped scorpion with two tails only on Sundays and it is partly cloudy with a humidity of 83.5%.  Don't expect them to take note of every single thing a character might do when they are in a room when you can't be arsed to take note of anything but the actions of your character's current love interest.  Don't ask them to play down to earth commoners with no inkling of things outside their realm of expertise when you play the character that knows everything about everything or has a book on the subject and can find the answer in a day.  When you can say honestly to yourself that you are doing none of that then the players will see it and either think you are crazy because any other character could mop the floor with you or want to make a character more like that..... something believable.</blockquote>

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