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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenmarel" data-source="post: 2560427">Some good points Thar.  As for the discussion I bring out when I post it usually involves phrases like "what was he thinking and you must be crazy" before or after a statement <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Preacher's idea of a redirect has been mentioned MANY times over the years.  Twice by myself for certain.  The response that was given for there not being one was "that type of change would not go over well with our players.  If they wish to go to the forums they will go we can't force them" but then again this answer was given by the same people that said "a setting using Neverwinter Nights?!?!  That is just stupid and no one would bother roleplaying on a video game" guess those people should check out the NWN rp servers(not the alternative ones unless you know for sure you aren't going into a cyber module...folks will do anything to get their rocks off) and they will see that actually the idea was a sound one.I used to hold to the same thinking about the "help" threads as you do now Thar.  When I saw one I would post unless what I had to say was already mentioned in an effort to bring awareness to the masses.  After a few years of posting I realized that the masses were just the same old players posting just to air grievances or using examples from their own RP sessions to make themself look like RP gods or some other nonesense.  Most of the posting that does happen is in the tone of a rant which in all actuality hurts a cause instead of helping.  For example if I see some moron on TV or hear them on the radio ranting and raving about the evilness of this that or the other in a tone designed to degrade others I roll my eyes and mutter something like "nutcase, fruitcake, psycho, must have rode the short bus, not playing with a full deck of cards, a drumstick shy of a picnic" things like that.  Much like I did, and others from the posts they have made here in this thread, when I started to read through things after Trel's original post.Most new players won't engage in in these discusssions ESPECIALLY when people openly bash other playing styles.  Seriously how many NEW players(those with less than a month experience of regularly coming to the site not total time in hours spent on site equalling a month) have posted in this thread?  The reason I used a month because in that time a player has been around long enough to see all sorts of crazy stuff and have formed opinions on a few of them.  What they see is those that have been around for awhile complaining about what the "noobs" are doing and don't feel welcome in these discussions.  I saw one post meant to help new players that turned into bashing on a new player that decided to ask some simple questions.  Players were using indirect methods to question their intelligence and common sense.  What some view as common sense others find baffling......for example I find it common sense that when I adjust my sights on an M-16 A2 Service Rifle at 26 meters the base adjustment will be the same at 300 meters before you factor in wind,sunlight conditions, other weather factors and shooting up or downhill.  While you might find it common sense to know the different types of memory sticks that go into computers and which ones can be replaced with other types without thinking.  Common sense itself is a matter of perspective pertaining to certain situations and environments therefore not a common virtue.I sincerely believe that the summarization hit on most of the things players have a problem with in the rp rooms.  Of course there are going to be small bits here and there left out EVEN in a lengthy discussion.  With this in mind a well thought out post such as the one that Trelian made could serve new players very well if they bother to read the post.  There are somethings that even if someone takes the time to type it all up players won't consider until they've experienced them first hand by observation and the inevitable mistakes everyone makes when trying something new.</blockquote>

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