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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8919758" data-attributes="member: 7030563">We are talking about WOTC like it is a monolithic living being.&nbsp; WOTC does not have feelings, it can not use logic, it as an entity that doesn't even really make statements.&nbsp; It is people doing those things, and it includes both good and bad people and to me those good people are part of our community and need our support.&nbsp; Those good people at WOTC arguably saved the game itself and the game is still as fun to play as it was a month ago.The way WOTC went about pushing the OGL 1.1 was underhanded, the desire to do it in the first place represented a break in trust and a disregard for promises made.&nbsp; Those people caused a lot of stress and we rightly feel betrayed.&nbsp; It got worse as the first &quot;apology&quot; was not an apology at all and was gaslighting, the second apology no one trusted/believed because of the first.&nbsp; It is people doing these things.&nbsp; Bad people.&nbsp; I don't factually know who they are, but many here have speculated.But Kyle Brink said he would listen to us, he said he would consider our feedback, while we were saying &quot;they are&nbsp; not even going to read the feedback&quot; and talking about their &quot;real motivation&quot; (which probably was the real motivation of some).&nbsp; At the end of the day though &quot;WOTC&quot; as an organization, with Kyle acting as &quot;the face&quot; did exactly what Kyle said they would do.&nbsp; To me that matters.Sorry if I stirred up so much controversy, and certainly people need to make their own decisions.&nbsp; For me at the end of the day WOTC did not do anything to OGL 1.0a and they did deliver on what was promised.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8919758, member: 7030563"] We are talking about WOTC like it is a monolithic living being. WOTC does not have feelings, it can not use logic, it as an entity that doesn't even really make statements. It is people doing those things, and it includes both good and bad people and to me those good people are part of our community and need our support. Those good people at WOTC arguably saved the game itself and the game is still as fun to play as it was a month ago. The way WOTC went about pushing the OGL 1.1 was underhanded, the desire to do it in the first place represented a break in trust and a disregard for promises made. Those people caused a lot of stress and we rightly feel betrayed. It got worse as the first "apology" was not an apology at all and was gaslighting, the second apology no one trusted/believed because of the first. It is people doing these things. Bad people. I don't factually know who they are, but many here have speculated. But Kyle Brink said he would listen to us, he said he would consider our feedback, while we were saying "[I]they are not even going to read the feedback" [/I]and talking about their "[I]real motivation"[/I] (which probably was the real motivation of some). At the end of the day though "WOTC" as an organization, with Kyle acting as "the face" did exactly what Kyle said they would do. To me that matters. Sorry if I stirred up so much controversy, and certainly people need to make their own decisions. For me at the end of the day WOTC did not [I]do [/I]anything to OGL 1.0a and they did deliver on what was promised. [/QUOTE]

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