It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[ECMO3]

DDB post from Kyle Brink today:

1. Not revoking 1.0a

2. Releasing entire 5E SRD on creative commons

"This Creative Commons license makes the content freely available for any use. We don't control that license and cannot alter or revoke it. It's open and irrevocable in a way that doesn't require you to take our word for it. And its openness means there's no need for a VTT policy. Placing the SRD under a Creative Commons license is a one-way door. There's no going back."

This is what we wanted and it represents a clear reversal from WOTC along with a mea culpa. Putting the SRD under CC is one heck of a show of good faith. I asked for that in the survey, as presumably others did, but I am surprised they did it.

Going forward IMO WOTC can do what they want with ONE. Obviously I would like that to be open as well, but at the end of the day it is up to them and putting a new game under a closed license does not represent the same sort of break in trust that putting 5E under it would have been.

 

[Scribe]

Thank? Get back on board?

Thank?

 

[Carlsen Chris]

Pathfinder forever

 

[TheAlkaizer]

I'm not getting back on board with them. They broke the trust. This fight was not to save them, it was to save the ecosystem.

I'll stick around with the 3rd party creators, retroclones, endless zines and microrpgs and let the big corporation sell movies, mugs, shirts and garbage plastic figurines to others.

 

[TerraDave]

I am looking forward to what they do with 1d&d. I am looking forward to Black Flag. I am looking forward to any other FRPGs that come out of this. Then I will pick the best one.

 

[VenerableBede]

While WotC has made some key steps just to repair completely avoidable damage, they have in no way earned goodwill or trust yet. That's a long road to walk, and they shouldn't expect most customers who left to return any time soon.

That said, I hope people who were planning on returning if this event happened are able to have a good time with their DnD stuff.

As for everyone else who took this experience as the push they needed to try other TTRPGs, I really hope that they don't come directly back. There's nothing wrong with playing DnD again, of course, but there are so many other experiences to be had with other systems—many of these players might have far more fun moving away from DnD.

 

[Dungeonosophy]

I'm not getting back on board with them. They broke the trust. This fight was not to save them, it was to save the ecosystem.

I'll stick around with the 3rd party creators, retroclones, endless zines and microrpgs and let the big corporation sell movies, mugs, shirts and garbage plastic figurines to others.

Well said.

 

[Dungeonosophy]

While WotC has made some key steps just to repair completely avoidable damage, they have in no way earned goodwill or trust yet. That's a long road to walk, and they shouldn't expect most customers who left to return any time soon.

That said, I hope people who were planning on returning if this event happened are able to have a good time with their DnD stuff.

As for everyone else who took this experience as the push they needed to try other TTRPGs, I really hope that they don't come directly back. There's nothing wrong with playing DnD again, of course, but there are so many other experiences to be had with other systems—many of these players might have far more fun moving away from DnD.

Eloquently said.

 

[Dungeonosophy]

Pathfinder forever

And Level Up: Advanced Fifth Edition forever.
And AGE forever.
And C7d20 forever.
And the ORC Alliance forever.

 

[mellored]

None of this stopped me from playing my weekly game. And there hasn't been another play test for me to examine.

So i don't know what else you expect me to get back on board with.

That said. "Thank WotC" is not the right word. "Forgive WotC" would be more accurate.

Holding a grudge isn't good for anyone's health.

 

[Retreater]

I'd be ok seeing some change at Hasbro that doesn't demand $1B from D&D. I don't like the big suits, and it's not going to sit right with me having non-gamers ruling the business and looking down on the fandom (and commenting publicly on it).
At least pretend to like us as paying customers.
Don't get me wrong. I'm very happy with the way this is turning out (though I still want to see protections for 1.0a beyond a social media post.)
They can still challenge Level Up, Pathfinder, OSE, and other systems I like.
SRD 5.1 only guarantees I can play 5e. And that's not enough game for me.

 

[TheAlkaizer]

Holding a grudge isn't good for anyone's health.

But moving on can be very healthy.

 

[Incenjucar]

I prefer "gracefully accept their surrender while making sure they're not hiding something behind their back". They still tried to do something really garbage to the industry, and there are still people there who wish they could have pulled it off and will want to try again in the future.

They will never get that trust back.

 

[theCourier]

Why don't you let people decide if they want to do that for themselves? What do all the people trying to convince everyone to forgive and buy a giant company's products get out of it??

 

[Glade Riven]

Holding a grudge isn't good for anyone's health.

IDK, I've know people who survive only out of sheer spite...

I will judge current and new product on it's own merits, and how they handle OneD&D. And OneD&D may still have a more closed license for SRD 5.2 or 6.0 or something, which is actually fine. For 3rd Edition, there was the OGL SRD, but also the D20 License and other more specific licenses.

I will also be looking forward to the ORC, and Project Blackflag. And will likely pick up the Cypher system sometime.

However, I will enjoy blowing a few hundred bucks on the next several Iron Kingdoms crowd funders now that Wizards of the Coast will not be standing in the way of Privateer Press.

 

[Xethreau]

Forgiveness isn't healthy for everyone. For people with a history of being victims of abuse, distance is better.

So no, it isn't the time for forgiveness and re-onboarding. For some of us, it's time to pivot to CC and rebuild our community.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I don't have to forgive them because I was waiting until all the hype and hysteria and misinformation and outright disinformation died down and we saw what the final decision and version from WotC would be. And now that it is settled, it looks fine to me. I still might not buy the 2024 edition, but that will be based on what they change in the rules, not on all this mess.

 

[I'm A Banana]

You forgive people. PEOPLE need your forgiveness.

Corporations. Brands. Conglomerates. These are not people. They do not need your forgiveness. Go buy their product if you're happy with them. Don't if you're not.

If someone does not want to buy the product, they are under no obligation to do so, and literally any reason is valid. Not buying the product doesn't turn someone into a spiteful person. If it's bad vibes, it's bad vibes, it's fine.

Go forgive your parents if you're looking for someone to fogive.

 

[Vaalingrade]

'Get back on board' is a little too close to 'get back in line'.

I don't do that.

Especially not if it includes forgiving a corp that had to be bullied by a legion to do the right thing.

 

[mellored]

Forgiveness isn't healthy for everyone. For people with a history of being victims of abuse, distance is better.

Yes, forgiveness is healthy.

I've known a few of victims of abuse. Holding a grudge only hurt them, even when they where at a distance of years apart. You can both forgive and move on.

Not that you shouldn't try other games. Just make sure that if someone invites you to play a game of 5e, you don't avoid having fun because of a grudge.