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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8924034" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Given your lack of desire to engage in any substantive or serious conversation, I will likely regret this. But sure, let's examine your premise.</p><p></p><p>Murder (using the term loosely) is considered <em>malum in se</em>, or innately immoral. Unlike other things that are defined as crimes (regulatory crimes, for example) that are <em>malum prohibitum</em>, it was historically considered under the law that there wouldn't even need to be a specific law regarding murder (notice) because it was it was immoral- in and of itself! IOW, you didn't have to be told that murdering people was wrong.</p><p></p><p>So when people push back on people claiming <em>murder </em>and <em>ethical fault</em>, this is the reason why. There is actually a long an rich history of this. In addition, if you want to get technical, there are further issues with trying to argue for <em>inchoate</em> crimes in similarity. Inchoate (incomplete) crimes are all those where the final act was not complete- such as <em>attempted</em> murder. Of course, there are actual rules for that as well, given that there is a strong societal interest in not punishing people when they don't actually do anything (strong limits on what crimes are allowed to be charged as inchoate crimes, as well as a requirement of substantial steps, not to mention the possibility of abandonment).</p><p></p><p>As for your question- no, criminal intent itself is never a crime. Criminal intent (<em>mens rea</em>) is simply an element of those crimes that have an intent requirement- not all do.</p><p></p><p>Finally, you might ask yourself- is attempted breach of contract a crime? Well, is breach of contract a crime? Once you understand that, you probably have your answer. As to whether it's ethically sound or not, I suggest not reviewing extant literature on efficient breach of contract. </p><p></p><p>Given that you seem to have created an account on Saturday, and the history of your posts (especially your most recent one!) I am quite sure you will take this in the constructive manner it was intended. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8924034, member: 7023840"] Given your lack of desire to engage in any substantive or serious conversation, I will likely regret this. But sure, let's examine your premise. Murder (using the term loosely) is considered [I]malum in se[/I], or innately immoral. Unlike other things that are defined as crimes (regulatory crimes, for example) that are [I]malum prohibitum[/I], it was historically considered under the law that there wouldn't even need to be a specific law regarding murder (notice) because it was it was immoral- in and of itself! IOW, you didn't have to be told that murdering people was wrong. So when people push back on people claiming [I]murder [/I]and [I]ethical fault[/I], this is the reason why. There is actually a long an rich history of this. In addition, if you want to get technical, there are further issues with trying to argue for [I]inchoate[/I] crimes in similarity. Inchoate (incomplete) crimes are all those where the final act was not complete- such as [I]attempted[/I] murder. Of course, there are actual rules for that as well, given that there is a strong societal interest in not punishing people when they don't actually do anything (strong limits on what crimes are allowed to be charged as inchoate crimes, as well as a requirement of substantial steps, not to mention the possibility of abandonment). As for your question- no, criminal intent itself is never a crime. Criminal intent ([I]mens rea[/I]) is simply an element of those crimes that have an intent requirement- not all do. Finally, you might ask yourself- is attempted breach of contract a crime? Well, is breach of contract a crime? Once you understand that, you probably have your answer. As to whether it's ethically sound or not, I suggest not reviewing extant literature on efficient breach of contract. Given that you seem to have created an account on Saturday, and the history of your posts (especially your most recent one!) I am quite sure you will take this in the constructive manner it was intended. :) [/QUOTE]
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