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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8935361" data-attributes="member: 6915329">WotC didn't produce the AD&D DMG 40 years ago. They did produce VGR a very short time ago. It's not irrelevant at all.If you think this is about punishment, then you clearly have no idea.I have limited funds. I choose to give them to people who did not try to harm creators like me. Because, in case you've forgotten, I am a 3pp creator.You may claim you are supporting 3pp creators by buying non-3pp material, but have no problem with the fact that, if WotC had been allowed to continue unchecked, they would have been the one doing the harm to me and to many other people on this forum. Maybe, maybe not. Spelljammer was terrible. I would have waited to see reviews and then thought long and hard about if what was presented in the Planescape book was worth it. I had wanted to buy Strixhaven because it seemed neat, but the book was half adventure which is a waste of space, since I hate spending pages on something that IMO should be in it's own book, so I didn't.And even if I had bought Planescape, I wouldn't have bought any 3pp material made for it, which means that those creators would not have been helped because trickle-down economics does not actually work. If you actually want to support 3pp creators, buy non-WotC-related 3pp material. I have Level Up and Humblewood and the Ancestries & Culture series and many other 3pp products. That's how you support 3pp people. Not by buying something from the huge corporation and hoping that maybe the little people get some of the money.The thread is that we should forgive WotC and "get back onboard" with them, which presumably means giving them money.You are trying to guilt me into doing so my trying to claim that I'm hurting non-WotC creators by not buying WotC materials and have not actually proven that's the case.So, no.The only hypothetical here is why I should actually give them my money.Sources, please.And more to the point--I'm doing (most) of those, but with non-WotC games. So why is what I'm doing bad or harmful and what you're doing good or helpful?Watching videos, playing games at hobby stores, hiring DMs, buying tile sets--all of those things you mentioned can also be done for every other game out there.Yes, it would have been bad for WotC to have hurt me and my 3pp book, which is what they were planning on doing.And again, you seem to think "the community" consists entirely of D&D, completely ignoring the thousands of other games out there. And since none of them are as "big" as D&D is, it's even more important for the actual community to support them. Which is what I have done by buying a multitude of books for SWADE, Root, Monster of the Week, Fate, Cypher System, Star Trek Adventures, Spire, Troika!, GURPS, Mork Borg, and many, many more, including literally hundreds of indie games on Itch.io. If you really want to help creators, buy something other than the big-brand game.</blockquote>

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