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<blockquote data-quote="Khaim" data-source="post: 4321338" data-attributes="member: 58754"><p>I just wanted to play devil's advocate here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I can't really say what went wrong with your printing. My books are perfect. As far as layout, yes, there are some things that are hard to find. You know what? There were things that were hard to find in 3e, too. And at least we have white pages now, and none of that tan stuff that makes it hard to read the text.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It sure seems like D&D to me. It says so right on the cover!</p><p></p><p>Or to put it another way, I have no idea what you mean. What <em>is</em> D&D? What about 4e is so different that it's no longer the same game?</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you can't sneak attack with a big stick, because that doesn't make any sense. It never did. And your ranger had to be "Drizzt or Legolas" last edition, too. Were you complaining then? At least now he actually <em>is</em>, instead of being a wannabe.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, you've got that one. Skill challenges are so broken it's not funny. If you do the math, it's even worse.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, maybe that's a relic from the 2->3 transition. Having started with 3e, I'm thrilled to see NPC only rules, finally. And I made three totally different monsters the other day, completely from scratch. It took me less than an hour. I wouldn't even be done with feats, much less skills, in 3e.</p><p></p><p>The designers realized that PC abilities and NPC abilities serve very, very different purposes. An NPC (well, an enemy that you fight) is going to show up in one combat, and gets to use his abilities once, if he's lucky. Giving him the full breadth of options a PC has is overkill, and also makes him boring. Do you really want the PC fighter and the NPC fighter sitting there doing identical moves on each other?</p><p></p><p></p><p>They <em>existed</em> in 3e, yes. But they also didn't <em>matter</em>. Sunder, disarm, trip, bull rush, all of these were a waste of a turn in 3e. (Trip could work if you built a trip-monkey, but that's another story.)</p><p>Movement? I'll tell you why some didn't see the tactical advantage: there wasn't any! You were either next to the monster, or you weren't. And you certainly didn't want your fighter moving; he'd lose his iterative attacks. Sure, lots of creative players would move around and pretend they were doing something, but they would have been just as effective standing in one spot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khaim, post: 4321338, member: 58754"] I just wanted to play devil's advocate here. Well, I can't really say what went wrong with your printing. My books are perfect. As far as layout, yes, there are some things that are hard to find. You know what? There were things that were hard to find in 3e, too. And at least we have white pages now, and none of that tan stuff that makes it hard to read the text. It sure seems like D&D to me. It says so right on the cover! Or to put it another way, I have no idea what you mean. What [i]is[/i] D&D? What about 4e is so different that it's no longer the same game? No, you can't sneak attack with a big stick, because that doesn't make any sense. It never did. And your ranger had to be "Drizzt or Legolas" last edition, too. Were you complaining then? At least now he actually [i]is[/i], instead of being a wannabe. Okay, you've got that one. Skill challenges are so broken it's not funny. If you do the math, it's even worse. Well, maybe that's a relic from the 2->3 transition. Having started with 3e, I'm thrilled to see NPC only rules, finally. And I made three totally different monsters the other day, completely from scratch. It took me less than an hour. I wouldn't even be done with feats, much less skills, in 3e. The designers realized that PC abilities and NPC abilities serve very, very different purposes. An NPC (well, an enemy that you fight) is going to show up in one combat, and gets to use his abilities once, if he's lucky. Giving him the full breadth of options a PC has is overkill, and also makes him boring. Do you really want the PC fighter and the NPC fighter sitting there doing identical moves on each other? They [i]existed[/i] in 3e, yes. But they also didn't [i]matter[/i]. Sunder, disarm, trip, bull rush, all of these were a waste of a turn in 3e. (Trip could work if you built a trip-monkey, but that's another story.) Movement? I'll tell you why some didn't see the tactical advantage: there wasn't any! You were either next to the monster, or you weren't. And you certainly didn't want your fighter moving; he'd lose his iterative attacks. Sure, lots of creative players would move around and pretend they were doing something, but they would have been just as effective standing in one spot. [/QUOTE]
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