Jim Ward still doesnt get it.

[JoeGKushner]

I don't mind the idea behind more powerful items/treasure equal harder encounters but it doesn't seem to be followed through on an even basis in many cases. Heck, the first encounter in the Treasure book is a first level barbarian that doesn't know if he's dominating or trying to fool the party and has about 8 K worth of items on him.

 

[Tyler Do'Urden]

I really don't get the connection between the d20 movement and conservativism. Something like "moral majority", or what are we talking about here?

Megadittoes- Rush Limbaugh d20!

All kidding aside, I've enjoyed Fast Forward Entertainment's books. I have the Demonic Lairs softcover and Enchanted Locations hardcover, and both are very useful little products, with a great deal of "1st edition flavor"- moreso than Necromancer Games products. (Not knocking Necromancer games, they've made, hands down, the best adventure modules released for 3e to date... but they don't quite have 1e feel. Maybe "1e material" with "White Wolf" feel would be more like it... )

As for Monty Haul gaming- the "Monty Haul" treasures in Enchanted Locations didn't seem quite... Monty Haul... to me. They seemed more like the levels of treasure you'd typically see in most 1e or 2e modules... a bit higher than 3e, but not by much. On the other hand, the baseline treasures in there seemed a bit off the mark... much lower than you'd expect- to be perfectly honest, I don't think that the recent WotC modules have really been that stingy with the loot.

 

[Buttercup]

All kidding aside, I've enjoyed Fast Forward Entertainment's books.

Well then, I have three I'd like to sell if you're interested. One day when I was insane I bought Rings of Power, Treasure Quests and Encyclopedia of Demons & Devils. Make me an offer!

 

[jaerdaph]

"Although I understand the thinking behind the present highly conservative d20 group,..."

I really don't get the connection between the d20 movement and conservativism. Something like "moral majority", or what are we talking about here?

He's not using "conservative" in the political sense. He means "conservative" as in "conservative with treasure", i.e. not wanting to give out a lot (or give it out within the boundries of game balance).

It's like, for example, when the directions on a poison ivy medicine say "apply the ointment liberally to the infected area" - it means use a lot of ointment, not have Ted Kennedy come over to your house and put it on for you.

You know I've been wanting to use that example for some time now, don't you?

 

[Turjan]

@jaerdaph:

Although I see your point, I'm not convinced whether he didn't intentionally play on the ambiguity of the word "conservative" in the sense of accusing the spokesmen of the d20 movement of stylizing the Monty Haul attitude as immoral .

 

[jaerdaph]

[BAlthough I see your point, I'm not convinced whether he didn't intentionally play on the ambiguity of the word "conservative" in the sense of accusing the spokesmen of the d20 movement of stylizing the Monty Haul attitude as immoral . [/B]

You may be right. I just wanted to use my "Ted Kennedy" joke.

 

[Ace]

Jim Ward of Fast Forward Entertainment has put out his latest 900 word. These are generally essays by him on various items.


So what does everyone think? Is Jim right? Is DnD 3E aimed towards Monty Haul with ELH as proof of this? Or is the rest of the 3E gaming world right in their more realistic and balanced format?
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Only one rule 0 Doc

Is everyone having a good time?

If they are than the game is a sucess

You need no other rules or guidelines

Though they are nice to have

 

[Nightfall]

I'm going to preface this by saying I didn't much care for Demons and Devils I nor did I care that much for Swords of Power. (The descriptions were much too long and there was little meat to them. Not mention the meat that was there didn't make sense d20wise.)

However, I will be the last one to say Jim Ward is an idiot. Jim Ward is a publisher and I try to give most publishers the benefit of the doubt about improving. After all, my beloved S&SS is doing a revision of Creature Collection 1, after the troubles with trying to do a massive errata, plus the fact the print run was nearing the end. So perhaps while I'm uncertain if I will ever like any FFE's products as much as some others (Green Ronin, Bastion Press and a few others stand out there.) I will say give Jim and his crew a chance.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

I agree, he was trying to take a shot at people who play at a lower money & magic level than he does.

Which would certainly go with the generally rude and insulting manner people say Jim responds to even constructive criticism. Here is a link with an example. Just read the comment made at the bottom.

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/revi...here=active&reviewer=JustaPlayer&product=EODD

@jaerdaph:

Although I see your point, I'm not convinced whether he didn't intentionally play on the ambiguity of the word "conservative" in the sense of accusing the spokesmen of the d20 movement of stylizing the Monty Haul attitude as immoral .

 

[JRRNeiklot]

D'oh!!!

I forgot that this is still 1979 and we are all playing 1E.

What's so bad about that? I played first edition for a lot of years - until about 1998, actually, and had LOADS of fun. Were it not for 1e, there would be no 3e. If it's not your style of play, don't play it. But why flame the man?