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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6143761" data-attributes="member: 42582">I'm happy to concede that I might be wrong. I deny that I'm being disingenuous - my post was sincere. Not all error is deception. Even someone as clever as me (!) can make an honest mistake.In which case it should be in a sidebar, or something similar - not built into the fundamentals of the presentation of the spell mechanics.The 4e "Power" books give nice examples of these sorts of sidebars, setting out different ideas about how the mechanics of a class can be narrated at the table.I wouldn't go quite as far as you are suggesting here - I think the core book has to have some flavour and tone (and Mearls talked intelligently about this in his recent hit points L&L). But I think that this needs to be chosen judiciously and with sensitivity to the range of tastes among the prospective audience. Joke material components strike me as a particularly odd sort of tone/flavour to bake into the heart of the game.Does that make any sense?The OP started a thread about hating joke material components. I am posting my agreement with the OP, plus my reasons (which are probably different, at least in part, from those of the OP, given what I know of the OP's posting history).My reasons are pretty simple. A whole raft of mechanical options, and the story that they support, have been purged from D&Dnext supposedly on the basis that they are obstacles to unity. The warlord is the poster child for all that stuff, though not exhaustive of it.Given the pretty big sacrifice that some D&D players are being asked to make in the name of unity, how important is the inclusion of joke material components? Conversely, if joke material components are deemed to be part of the essence of D&D in a way that all the stuff being expunged is not, then we don't have a unity edition at all. We have an edition that takes a rather narrow idea of what D&D is (eg at that point I'm not sure it even encompasses Moldvay Basic and its descendants, as opposed to AD&D and 3E).</blockquote>

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