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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6144387" data-attributes="member: 87792">These two parts are not connected.  Magic may not have universal applicability (and won't if you go for a Vancian model) but that doesn't mean that you can't make it loose or tight.A loose system would be one where you have a Vancian casting model but the V/S/M aspects are left entirely to a sidebar.  A tight and hard to drift one would be where you hardcode the material components and gestures.And if you leave the material components in the sidebar there can be a very good justification for pun components. That justification is that the components are something to focus the mind and that the puns associate the spells.  This also allows players to come up with their own puns (always more rewarding) rather than stick with the IMO bad jokes that Gygax and co created.  This has all the advantages of pun components plus a few.  And so far as I can see none of the disadvantages.And who is saying that?  What's being said is that hard coded material components are annoying and limiting.  And that mandating one way or the other comes with problems.Nice!</blockquote>