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<blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8519331" data-attributes="member: 6799660"><p>It was kind of right when the show had ended that it started getting recognized the 'nice guy' was actually kind of a toxic trope. TV and movies of the 80-90s had a lot of coded as nerd male characters (Ross on Friends, Niles on Frasier, etc.) that were secretly in love with female friends and if said friend would just recognize how perfect they were for each other (instead of the jock stereotype she really dated) than things would be great (but then the plot arc would be over, so endlessly cycle on this until the audience is sick of it and them getting together at show end is unrealistic but at the same time inevitable). Which is a longwinded way of saying yes it should have been a red flag all along, but it also seems reasonable that it didn't stand out given by what it was surrounded.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Buffy seems to be one of those shows where even the super-fans tend towards, "I love everything about it, except in season ___, why in the heck did they..." There are so many (not just in seasons 6&7, the good stuff just thinned out so it was more obvious) missed opportunities, plots that went no where, inconsistent characterizations (Spike is effectively 3-4 distinct characters, depending on who was winning in the writer's room that week), favorite characters being written off, other characters sticking around despite having little to no reason for being there, and so on. There are good bits and pieces in the mix (which has to be why it has had such an impact), but I can't find a specific stretch of the show where it really was the peak awesomeness I remember it being.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Willie the Duck, post: 8519331, member: 6799660"] It was kind of right when the show had ended that it started getting recognized the 'nice guy' was actually kind of a toxic trope. TV and movies of the 80-90s had a lot of coded as nerd male characters (Ross on Friends, Niles on Frasier, etc.) that were secretly in love with female friends and if said friend would just recognize how perfect they were for each other (instead of the jock stereotype she really dated) than things would be great (but then the plot arc would be over, so endlessly cycle on this until the audience is sick of it and them getting together at show end is unrealistic but at the same time inevitable). Which is a longwinded way of saying yes it should have been a red flag all along, but it also seems reasonable that it didn't stand out given by what it was surrounded. Buffy seems to be one of those shows where even the super-fans tend towards, "I love everything about it, except in season ___, why in the heck did they..." There are so many (not just in seasons 6&7, the good stuff just thinned out so it was more obvious) missed opportunities, plots that went no where, inconsistent characterizations (Spike is effectively 3-4 distinct characters, depending on who was winning in the writer's room that week), favorite characters being written off, other characters sticking around despite having little to no reason for being there, and so on. There are good bits and pieces in the mix (which has to be why it has had such an impact), but I can't find a specific stretch of the show where it really was the peak awesomeness I remember it being. [/QUOTE]
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