Journeyman PC Class (formerly Expert PC Class)

I can't find where the special abilities of the PHB classes are accounted for in the Balance Testing. If they are not there, what's the point? Most of the classes (well, not sorcerers :)) get a large part of their abilities as special abilities. A fighter without feats isn't much of a fighter, is he? If you add the specials, the comparison will be useul. (Now, I may just have missed it... if that's the case, please tell me where it is)
 

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Jens,

The special abilities were purposely not accounted for. If you took into consideration the class abilities, then the average number of Class Points used to create each core class would be much higher. By not including the special abilities of the core classes, it ensures that the Journeyman class does not exceed the core classes in "power".

And yes, a Fighter is not a Fighter without bonus feats, a Rogue isn't a Rogue without his special abilities, a Bard isn't a bard without his, a Druid without hers, etc. But thats the other part of the point, the Journeyman class is NOT a replacement for the core classes.

You can come close to replicating the core classes with the Journeyman class, but in most cases you come up short and are minus a few of the things that are unique to the core class you are replicating, i.e. replicating a Wizard with a Journeyman doesn't give you the ability to specialize in magic. Replicating a Cleric doesn't give you the turn undead ability. You simply can't replicate a Paladin or Monk or Druid or even Bard. Sorcerers since they are so lifeless are probably the one sticking point, but eh, oh well.. nothings perfect.

But if you have suggestions on balance, I'll gladly listen... but as it is, it should be fairly balanced and should play well with the other core classes. But as always, the individual DM should have the final say.

Jens said:
I can't find where the special abilities of the PHB classes are accounted for in the Balance Testing. If they are not there, what's the point? Most of the classes (well, not sorcerers :)) get a large part of their abilities as special abilities. A fighter without feats isn't much of a fighter, is he? If you add the specials, the comparison will be useul. (Now, I may just have missed it... if that's the case, please tell me where it is)
 

Well, I doubt it would work well with the other classes. I think it would be seriously underpowered, somewhere between a rogue and a fighter but with very few specials.

I have tried to make something somewhat similar, flexible classes. You can download it HERE. It's very preliminary, and I don't know if it's the way to do it. But even though the approach is diffeent from yours, you may be able to use some of it?
 

Jens said:
Well, I doubt it would work well with the other classes. I think it would be seriously underpowered, somewhere between a rogue and a fighter but with very few specials.

I don't know that its that underpowered. Is it, hopefully, dilberately a bit underpowered? Yes. But I could deal with somewhere between a fighter and a rogue. And it is possible to get the same number of special abilities [bonus feats for a fighter] as a fighter, but you would need to drop other features. To me, that is balanced.

I have tried to make something somewhat similar, flexible classes. You can download it HERE. It's very preliminary, and I don't know if it's the way to do it. But even though the approach is diffeent from yours, you may be able to use some of it?

I'll take a look at it. :)
 


Hmmm ...... Been trying to get a look at your write up, but every time I open the link I get a garbled page.

Any suggestions on how to get through to see what you've got?
 

Abraxas said:
Hmmm ...... Been trying to get a look at your write up, but every time I open the link I get a garbled page.

Any suggestions on how to get through to see what you've got?

Sorry 'bout that... try it now. If there still are problems, let me know... also what browser and OS are you using?

Thanks.

P.S. The updated page should have a tan background rather than white.
 
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Great,

Thanks - I can see clearly now.

Was using my old gaming box to surf - IE 6.0 and WIN98SE.

Again, Thanks it looks very interesting.
 


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