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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8226908" data-attributes="member: 5889">My quick and dirty take:Overall its a better movie than the original. The story is more cohesive, and the stakes feel more appropriate to a true Justice League movie. That said, its too long, 4 hours is not really necessary, and it definitely drags at certain points. Ultimately, its a better movie, but its still not a great movie, and I don't think it "redeems" Justice League.My longer take:I think the real winners are Steppenwolf and Cyborg. Steppenwolf was upgraded from a cardboard cutout to a generic villain suitable for a marvel movie....aka good enough. Cyborg gets a much bigger chunk of story and characterization this time. Flash meanwhile gets the coolest new scene of the movie.The biggest losers are Batman and Wonder Woman. Some of Batman's best lines are not in this cut, and the change to this scene [spoiler]Lois Lane now comes to Superman out of coincidence instead of Batman's fallback strategy[/spoiler] just removes the last bit of Batman's actual plan making and scheming. I honestly don't know why he is even in this cut. Zack wanted to make a movie about gods and nothing wrong with that, but I think he really had trouble putting Batman in that league.Wonder Woman also got some of her best character lines removed. She does get a few new ones, so not as bad as Batman, but I think the scene [spoiler]where Diana tends to Batman's shoulder and they have a heart to heart[/spoiler] adds a tremendous amount of characterization in a short scene, and the lack of it I really felt.Ultimately, both movies have the same fatal flaw at the end: [Spoiler]Superman just clobbers Steppenwolf without even trying, once again showing that the entire rest of the league was unnecessary to that fight. If the league had delayed the unity that would have at least been something, but they don't, so honestly Superman could have just flown through the shield, dropped Cyborg and Flash off, kicked Steppenwolf's butt....and you would have had the same plot. [/Spoiler]At the end of the day, I feel that the 4 hours is mainly Synder going....hey, I'm going for broke, lets just show everything I wanted to show. And a lot of it was probably cut by Whedon for good reason, as much of it is really not necessary to the film. I think there is about 30 minutes of Synder material that is truly "better", and it would be neat to see a movie where that 30 minutes was inserted/replaced on top of the original.</blockquote>

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