"Kensei Focus" & "Kensei Mastery" with Implement/Weapon like "Crusader’s Weapon"

[simen]

"Kensei Focus" & "Kensei Mastery" with Implement/Weapon like "Crusader’s Weapon"

I wonder if you get the bonuses from "Kensei Focus" & "Kensei Mastery" with "Crusader’s Weapon" to implement attacks? It doesn't say that the power must include "weapon" as a keyword like other +1 stuff etc.

 

[Llamas Notsheep]

I see no reason it wouldn't apply when used as an implement. You gain a bonus to attack rolls/damage rolls using that weapon... not rolls using that weapon for a Weapon keyword power.

RAW pretty clearly seems to support the use of the weapon as an implement. RAI? Probably not, but you never know

 

[simen]

Yeah, I think so to. Somewhat the same as Cunning Dagger for a Wizard and casting spells using the property of the weapon for the implement attack.

I ask because I have a player (not me) and we are looking at Paragon Paths. He is a Human Battle-Cleric, started out with 18 str and 16 wis and keeps pumping it. Would be great to boost his to hit on both the weapon and implement attacks.

 

[Llamas Notsheep]

Check with the DM. I doubt anyone would dispute that it's against RAW, but people might find it cheesy. And that may be enough to get it nixed

 

[DracoSuave]

Check with the DM. I doubt anyone would dispute that it's against RAW, but people might find it cheesy. And that may be enough to get it nixed

Seems just fine for a swordmage tho.

One man's cheesy is another man's awesome.

Put another way... you can narrate it. It's not difficult. No, -Milamber of Crydee- might not use his staff in distinct weapon kata in order to derive mystical effects, but -The Airbender- might. In 4e, you must divorce yourself from 'All Arcane Magic works exactly the same' for the simple reason you must divorce yourself from 'All Fighters use a sword and shield the same way.' This is exemplified by feat selection and power selection.

Some people derive feats and powers from concept, others derive concept from feats and powers; neither is badfun. The 'I use the weapon to make magic work' IS a fantasy trope, without even saying 'Swordmage.' Hell it's not even alien to D&D. I don't see the weapon/implement barrier as even -bad- really now that I've had time to absorb it, narratively speaking.

 

[Destil]

Seems an appropriate cost to me, since they're taking an entire paragon path for it.

Weapons as impeachments are good, but this is mostly a problem with non-weapon implements sucking. Weapons implements are about right on the power scale, even if they there is some weirdness like two-weapon fighting.

 

[simen]

When you first have taken a Fighter MC feat and a PP you will also take the "Battle Acumen" feat and get +2 hit with both weapon and implement. Quite nice

 

[Llamas Notsheep]

When you first have taken a Fighter MC feat and a PP you will also take the "Battle Acumen" feat and get +2 hit with both weapon and implement. Quite nice

Huh? I'm pretty sure Battle Acumen requires fighter paragon multiclass (according to the compendium).

 

[simen]

You have a Fighter PP, Kensai. But you must take that other MC option? With "Novice Power", "Acolyte Power" and "Adept Power"?

I thought they meant that you had to take the MC only feat and a Fighter PP. So, my fault