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D&D 4E Lazy General... aka Warlord in Anime

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Saw my wife watching this show I blinked a few times as the Lazylord took some hits to inspire his two sword ranger to even more bad assery... And then wife said he ends up known as the Lazy General and as I kept watching sure enough most definitely a Warlord a very tactical Warlord.

[video]https://myanimelist.net/anime/31764/Nejimaki_Seirei_Senki__Tenkyou_no_Alderamin/reviews[/video]
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
There are sure some definite tactical Warlords out there...I have been thinking Soka from the last Avatar wasn't a bad example but only comes into his own in that arena later in the
show and maybe more at a strategic level.

Nor is he treated as a genius class thinker initially he is far closer to a side kick character earlier even ... but that more than changes and he is shown to have a positively brilliant mind.
 
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MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
You can't talk about lazy warlords in anime without Nijima Haruo from Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple. A bit of a roguish coward, who is a terrific tactician. He is the architect of the Shinpalu Alliance, something he achieved by borrowing the charisma of his "friend" and actual protagonist Kenichi, a very cohesive group that follows his orders an strategies despite most of them actually hating him. Despite his nearly non-existent martial ability, almost every master class he meets comments just how good he is as an strategist and respects him as a combatant, he just happens to fight using his teammates as his attacks. He finds and exploits vulnerabilities and coordinates in a way that normally tides the combat in his favor.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
More about the Lazy General

Ikta Solork, wanted to be a scientist, very much an intellectual genius but is also capable as a charismatic however he seems to use that very consciously tactically with very decided goals in mind although some times very roguish goals as he is not totally up with following. He is definitely not stand alone physically and it is commented about him lacking on that front as a soldier. He is the one noticed as why his ally ends up kicking ass and everyone aware he arranged/choreographed it as much as anything. His primary companion is as significant a character as he and she is a two weapon ranger who some times puts him in his place (he may rely on that on occasion instead of applying self discipline - she may be both his wisdom and strong arm) in spite of very much following his lead in battle.

The party has some others one is a Sniper of similar scale of the above two.

The final pair are not really up to scale with those three are a very noncombatant medic and a generic nobleman/soldier/secondary leader type who I am guessing may end up being inspired to achieve because of the presence of the more heroic types in the group.

There is also a princess who ends up needing saved very often and is how Solork ends up in the military instead of a scientist,
 



Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
This one looks like it might be similar Arslan starts in the place to be a trained military leader... less interesting in that regards maybe than Itka Sorlork whos somewhat humble and scientific beginnings makes him a virtually self taught genius.

Arslan almost seems like he might be an Alexander the Great style character which is definitely one I would build as a tactical Warlord.

https://myanimelist.net/anime/28249/Arslan_Senki_TV
 
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Mulan probably doesnt really count as anime ... but She and Shan Yu definitely count as Warlords.

One observation I would make is that the warlord archetype is very strong in Chinese fantasy. There are dozens of historical drama series (which are all varying grades of fantasy ranging from 'somewhat fictionalized with minimal fantastic elements' all the way up to 'completely fantastical'). In fact Game of Thrones could almost be viewed as a western adaptation of this genre (albeit its origins don't seem to be much influenced by eastern fantasy). The typical plots involve things like the one I watched a couple years ago where the son of a prince who was supposedly wiped out with his family by the emperor comes back in disguise and becomes the mastermind 'advisor' to all of the emperor's sons, cleverly causing them all to wipe each other, and the emperor, out before he installs the virtuous son as the new emperor. This guy actually rarely fights (he's pretty tough) instead being known as a supergenius strategist and tactician. This is a pretty typical one, but they all seem to have some 'warlord' type character as a major element, usually the hero.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
In fact Game of Thrones could almost be viewed as a western adaptation of this genre (albeit its origins don't seem to be much influenced by eastern fantasy). The typical plots involve things like the one I watched a couple years ago where the son of a prince who was supposedly wiped out with his family by the emperor comes back in disguise and becomes the mastermind 'advisor' to all of the emperor's sons, cleverly causing them all to wipe each other, and the emperor, out before he installs the virtuous son as the new emperor. This guy actually rarely fights (he's pretty tough) instead being known as a supergenius strategist and tactician. This is a pretty typical one, but they all seem to have some 'warlord' type character as a major element, usually the hero.

Game of Thrones - is way out of Anime of course still good examples you cheater.

Unless I am wrong we could probably call the following something very close to Tactical Lazylord, Inspiring Lazylord, Bravura - Tyrion Lannister, Lady Stark and Khal Drogo
 
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Zeromaru X

Arkhosian scholar and coffee lover
Most of the Ship commanders in mecha anime are akin to lazilords as well. Bright Noa from Gundam or Daitetsu Minase from Super Robot Wars are good examples.
 

I'll have to take your word for it...

However, I would say that this is typical, Japanese culture seems to have a tendency to focus on persons of importance much like Chinese does (I know, generalizations that will outrage 52 people on EnWorld, or 146 on rpg.net).
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
grabs european fairy tales ... prince, princess, princess, secretly a princess, secretly a king, noble woman not treated that way.... ok sure. Switches to ancient greek myth secretly of magic god blood. Middle eastern magical birth heralded...hmmm nope nothing new here.

Looks through the 2e players handbook for names of sample characters to inspire you raises an eyebrow at Abdul. That farmer background is pretty rare in there.
 
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grabs european fairy tales ... prince, princess, princess, secretly a princess, secretly a king, noble woman not treated that way.... ok sure. Switches to ancient greek myth secretly of magic god blood. Middle eastern magical birth heralded...hmmm nope nothing new here.

Looks through the 2e players handbook for names of sample characters to inspire you raises an eyebrow at Abdul. That farmer background is pretty rare in there.

Well, at least in European folklore, and fairy tales, there's a lot of 'just people' types. I mean MUCH of the "Grimm's Tales" stuff is like that. Those aren't exactly 'high fantasy' or 'mythic', but I think it is hard to find ANY Chinese stories of that ilk where the hero isn't some sort of supernatural being, royalty, etc. I'm sure there are some, its inevitable, but its hard to find. There's a VERY strong sense in Eastern Asian culture that people's significance is reflected in their outward station. Where that is modified to an extent would be priests most likely, but the ones in stories are always the super 'high level' type ones. Now and then someone will be a sort of "something in hiding" or "something in the rough", but only sidekicks are things like robbers or fairly mundane people. Its a hard distinction to make though because often western stories are so 'Disneyfied' that everyone has been turned into a prince and whatnot. The original Robin Hood for instance was just a guy, who robbed rich people. Maybe he was thought to be a disinherited Saxon or some such thing, but it was basically not a significant element of the original stories. Later he was embellished into a nobleman and whatnot. I doubt a Chinese equivalent would have needed the embellishment, it would have been assumed from day 1.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Well, at least in European folklore, and fairy tales, there's a lot of 'just people' types. I mean MUCH of the "Grimm's Tales" stuff is like that.
Wait you mean the stories told to admonish kids featured normal kids... getting eaten by witches not defeating them... I cannot imagine why

Those aren't exactly 'high fantasy' or 'mythic', but I think it is hard to find ANY Chinese stories of that ilk where the hero isn't some sort of supernatural being, royalty, etc. I'm sure there are some, its inevitable, but its hard to find.
Not exactly a culture I can claim a lot of breadth with actually. That is a very very very old culture.

Its a hard distinction to make though because often western stories are so 'Disneyfied' that everyone has been turned into a prince and whatnot.

I actually take that as "Telling", but I am a bit less than happy at the parallel with rich unqualified bastards getting elected but that is off topic so I am hushing that thought.

The original Robin Hood for instance was just a guy, who robbed rich people. Maybe he was thought to be a disinherited Saxon or some such thing, but it was basically not a significant element of the original stories. Later he was embellished into a nobleman and whatnot.

Not certain but I think it might have been historians who did that particular transformation but it also might have just been people who wanted to claim the character as a local figure.

The likely historic Arthur responsible for the legends wasn't a king but the fact that people felt the need to make him one is as I mentioned "Telling". And has nothing to do with Disney.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
By the way the hero in my first mention in this thread was forced into nobility even though he hated it. Was forced to be a soldier and wanted to be a scientist.
 

Wait you mean the stories told to admonish kids featured normal kids... getting eaten by witches not defeating them... I cannot imagine why
Hehe, yeah. One of the reasons I would expect every society to have some.
Not exactly a culture I can claim a lot of breadth with actually. That is a very very very old culture.
There is a lot of continuity of culture, yes. There is more in Europe than a lot of people tend to think though as well, our stories often go back 1000's of years too! OTOH the Chinese are still venerating the mythical Xia dynasty which supposedly ruled in 2000 BC or so... We have Gilgamesh, but only because of modern archaeology...

I actually take that as "Telling", but I am a bit less than happy at the parallel with rich unqualified bastards getting elected but that is off topic so I am hushing that thought.
shhhhhhh!

Not certain but I think it might have been historians who did that particular transformation but it also might have just been people who wanted to claim the character as a local figure.
Not really sure either, but it is a pretty old story.

The likely historic Arthur responsible for the legends wasn't a king but the fact that people felt the need to make him one is as I mentioned "Telling". And has nothing to do with Disney.

I don't think Disney started that particular trend by any means. They have just been quite assiduous at making their characters 'royalty'. Its a sort of hyping up process. Its a tall tale to start with, so why not just make all the characters more fantastical by giving them royal titles and such? Its especially telling that they never have actually identifiable titles, they're just 'Prince' or something. EVERY actual Prince or Princess is surely associated with the THING they are the ruler of! So we can generally conclude that all such titles are made up, either at the time the story was created, or later on. As you note, Arturius becomes a king, Robbing Hoodlum becomes a knight, etc.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
EVERY actual Prince or Princess is surely associated with the THING they are the ruler of! So we can generally conclude that all such titles are made up, either at the time the story was created, or later on. As you note, Arturius becomes a king, Robbing Hoodlum becomes a knight, etc.

The above EVERY and that Arthur was not referred to as king in the records about the battles in which he fought is why historians are certain he wasn't.

Perhaps interesting and related the myth of the Ninja is one of relatively humble birth but the likely historic case is for highly trained bushi from the ruling class if not high in the hierarchy acting under cover, intentionally not using family heirloom weapons and so on.
 

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