Leadership - ECL >1 Followers

[Infinite_Kydeem]

Lets say I'm a Lizardfolk (has taken the leadership feat) who, by some miracle, has gotten his leadership score for followers up to 17. The table says 4th Lv *1, 3rd Lv *1, 2nd Lv *3, and 1st Lv *30.

Now I'm a muck loving dragonfolk setting up house in a swampy delta, I don't want human (or dwarf, elf, gnome, etc...) followers and humans probably don't want to follow me. I'm going after Lizardfolk followers. Lizard Folk are ECL 3. So the first two are easy. I've got one Lizardfolk who has one level of warrior (or expert) and one regular Lizardfolk.

Ok so far, but what do I do about the other 33 followers. One of the players in our group suggested that I have 3 mostly grown up Lizardfolk and 30 Lizardfolk children. Another said that since they start at ECL 3 I've only got the 2 followers. The last says that it should be another 33 regular lizardfolk. All of these seem more than just slightly ludicrous to me. :\

Is there some formula or method that I missed to convert 1st and 2nd level followers to an equivalent number of ECL 3 followers? Do I not get a choice and am stuck with human (or whatever) followers? The issue just keeps getting more severe the higher the ECL level of the character race. What if I was a Centaur ECL 6, would I get any followers?

Any rules / knowledge / ideas / guesses / opinions?

 

[nittanytbone]

You could work it by CR.

For example, a level 1 human warrior is CR 1/2.

A standard lizardman (2 HD) is CR 1.

Thus I think each lizardman would be equal to 2-3 human warrior followers.

 

[MadJax]

kobolds

 

[kigmatzomat]

You could work it by CR.

For example, a level 1 human warrior is CR 1/2.

A standard lizardman (2 HD) is CR 1.

Thus I think each lizardman would be equal to 2-3 human warrior followers.

I've been bouncing back and forth on this for several years. Yes, that works fine for a Lizardman, whose CR is only double that of a normal person. But what about Thrym, King of the Frost Giants? Even a maxed out Leadership score gives him like 2 commoners as followers! Less if you use the LA adjustor and their HD.

Giving them commoners/warriors/experts of their species is equally fraught with danger since Thrym would have 135 "common" frost giants, 13 with 1 NPC level, 7 with 2 NPC levels, 4 with 3 NPC levels, and 2 each who have 4 and 5 NPC levels.

I lean towards the latter simply because it is more realistic but am hesitant to see how PCs might abuse it.

 

[Sithobi1]

Well, the text says pretty clearly that you end up getting non-lizardfolk followers.

 

[Evil Monkey]

I agree with the person above who said kobolds would make good lvl 1 followers for a lizardfolk. Also, you might want to look at muckdwellers (FR Serpent Kingdoms) or tasloi (FR Shining South). They are all 1HD/LA+0 races, so you can have a horde of kobold/muckdweller/tasloi warriors following you.

For your three lvl 2 followers, there is also the Poison Dusk lizardfolk from MMIII. They have 1 racial HD and a LA of +1.

 

[BlackSeed_Vash]

There is always the option of using the Savage Species rules on converting racial HD and LA into "class levels" thuse they would not be full Lizardfolk, but at lets they would all have scales.

 

[Infinite_Kydeem]

You could work it by CR.

For example, a level 1 human warrior is CR 1/2.

A standard lizardman (2 HD) is CR 1.

Thus I think each lizardman would be equal to 2-3 human warrior followers.

So you're saying approx one Lizardfolk who has one level of warrior (or expert) and 13-18 regular Lizardfolk.

I could live with that.

 

[Infinite_Kydeem]

There is always the option of using the Savage Species rules on converting racial HD and LA into "class levels" thuse they would not be full Lizardfolk, but at lets they would all have scales.

Yes, that would be the child and almost grown lizardfolk. I can't see kids as followers though.

 

[Infinite_Kydeem]

Well, the text says pretty clearly that you end up getting non-lizardfolk followers.

Yes, but that just doesn't make sense to me. { shrug } Why would a bunch of humans want to go follow me into my swampy, submerged, leech infested lair?