mellored
Legend
No. Multiclass rules don't mention the spell book at all.
It only indirectly applies with prepared spells, which is the same as an appropriate level wizard.
D&D (2024) Multiclassing: Slots and Prepared Spells
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It only indirectly applies with prepared spells, which is the same as an appropriate level wizard.
So, suppose you have a feat that granted you a 9th level spell slot. (There where epic boons in 2014 that did this).
If you had this feature, a 2nd level wizard could add 9th level spells to their spell book and prepare that spell. As a single-classed character. Using their single-classed preparation rules.
Those single-classed preparation rules refer to the spell slots your character has, not the spell slots of your class and level.
Does this change when a character becomes multiclassed? If they had the 9th level spell slot from a feat, would that unlock preparing 9th level spells for every class?
Does this apply to every source of spell slots? Now, if multiclassing gives you spell slots, and the single classed rules refer to spell slots, does it refer to "spell slots as if you were a different character"? If you got the feat from your sorcerer ASI that gave you a 9th level spell slot, would you not be able to prepare 9th level wizard spells?
You don't prepare for slots.
The 2024 text says "You determine what spells you can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class. If you are a level 4 Ranger / level 3 Sorcerer, for example, you can prepare five level 1 Ranger spells, and you can prepare six Sorcerer spells of level 1 or 2 (as well as four Sorcerer cantrips)."
The key text is "as if you were a single-classed member of that class". Left out the explicit text saying "of the level you have achieved in that class", but it is picked up with the example, and reinforced again in the Spell Slots section.
So, if you are a Rogue/Arcane Trickster 9, you prepare spells as if that were ALL you were. Then you repeat the process as a Wizard 3. Now you have a list of prepared spells, each with its own spellcasting stat (if they are different).
In play, you expend slots to power those spells, and you have the multiclassing table to determine your slots.
For this character it is treated as level 8 - 5 levels from rogue (half, rounded up), and 3 levels from Wizard.
And yes, it is awfully phrased. (At least, unlike the hiding rules, the examples make the intention clear).
Cheers!
One of the #1 rules in rules interpretation is don't come up with examples that don't exist.
Showing the rules break under hypothetical situations isn't that useful.
cbwjm
Legend
The rules for this hasn't changed, it's still based on the individual classes. If one of your classes is a 4th level wizard they are still limited to 2nd level spells in their spellbooks, even if they have 3 levels of arcane trickster which grants them the spell slots of a 5th level spellcaster.
Clint_L
Legend
Not at all. Both the rule and intent seem obvious: you can't use multi-classing to get around normal spell level restrictions.
I mean, I mentioned an epic boon in 2014 that exists?One of the #1 rules in rules interpretation is don't come up with examples that don't exist.
Showing the rules break under hypothetical situations isn't that useful.
mellored
Legend
Loophole, and I'm sure it's not intended, but ..
Evocation Savant
"whenever you gain access to a new level of spell slots in this class, you can add one Wizard spell from the Evocation school to your spellbook for free. The chosen spell must be of a level for which you have spell slots."
Memorize spell
"Whenever you finish a Short Rest, you can study your spellbook and replace one of the level 1+ Wizard spells you have prepared for your Spellcasting feature with another level 1+ spell from the book.
So a sorcerer 5/evocation wizard 4 can level up to wizard 5,
Also ritual Adept
"You can cast any spell as a Ritual if that spell has the Ritual tag and the spell is in your spellbook. You needn’t have the spell prepared,"
In case you want to grab phantom steed with something 2/illusionist 3
(Also why is wall of force evocation and not abjuration?)
Evocation Savant
"whenever you gain access to a new level of spell slots in this class, you can add one Wizard spell from the Evocation school to your spellbook for free. The chosen spell must be of a level for which you have spell slots."
Memorize spell
"Whenever you finish a Short Rest, you can study your spellbook and replace one of the level 1+ Wizard spells you have prepared for your Spellcasting feature with another level 1+ spell from the book.
So a sorcerer 5/evocation wizard 4 can level up to wizard 5,
- got a new spell level and has 5th level slots
- add a evocation spell up to 5th level (wall of force) to the spell book
- -take a short rest. (every day?)
- replace a prepared spell with wall of force
- Cast wall of force
Also ritual Adept
"You can cast any spell as a Ritual if that spell has the Ritual tag and the spell is in your spellbook. You needn’t have the spell prepared,"
In case you want to grab phantom steed with something 2/illusionist 3
(Also why is wall of force evocation and not abjuration?)
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Mannahnin
Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
Are all the Force effects evocation? I thought other wall spells were classically conjuration, though I may be misremembering.
Taking a quick look at the 2014 PH (I don't have 2024 handy rn) I see that all of the Wall spells are evocation, except Wall of Thorns, which is conjuration.
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Now, what I like doing is this:
Pure caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare spells of up to half your level in this class, rounded up, but no higher than 9th level spells.
Half caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare 1st level spells. At level 5, 9, 11 and 17 you can prepare spells of 1 higher level.
1/3 caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare 1st level spells. At level 7, 13 and 19 you can prepare spells of 1 higher level.
And my personal multiclassing rule is For the purpose of the max level of prepare spells, calculate each class independently, but add 1 to the each class level for every 2 levels in other classes, up to doubling the your class level. This cannot let you prepare spells higher level than your spell slots.
It makes multiclassing spellcasters a bit less bleak; a 10/10 character has access to 8th level spells in each class, and a 14/6 to 9th and 5th level spells.
Pure caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare spells of up to half your level in this class, rounded up, but no higher than 9th level spells.
Half caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare 1st level spells. At level 5, 9, 11 and 17 you can prepare spells of 1 higher level.
1/3 caster prepared spellcasters read You can prepare 1st level spells. At level 7, 13 and 19 you can prepare spells of 1 higher level.
And my personal multiclassing rule is For the purpose of the max level of prepare spells, calculate each class independently, but add 1 to the each class level for every 2 levels in other classes, up to doubling the your class level. This cannot let you prepare spells higher level than your spell slots.
It makes multiclassing spellcasters a bit less bleak; a 10/10 character has access to 8th level spells in each class, and a 14/6 to 9th and 5th level spells.
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