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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 3134582" data-attributes="member: 752">I wasn't quoting you, I was summarizing your expressed position. You &quot;read&quot; the feat so that it &quot;gives up to 3x the number subtracted for Power Attack&quot;. (A quote. You can tell by the quotation marks.) Since the feat clearly states that you get &quot;triple the extra damage from Power Attack&quot; with a two-handed weapon it follows that in order to read the feat to &quot;give up 3x the number subtracted for Power Attack&quot;, then the extra damage from power attacking with a two-handed weapon must be equal to the number subtracted from your attack rolls. The logic involved is not very complicated. Nobody's offered that argument. What I said was: At no point do more than one multiplier apply to an abstract value. The values being multiplied are &quot;the number subtracted from your attack rolls&quot; (doubled as part of the regular Power Attack calculation) and &quot;the extra damage from Power Attack&quot; (tripled with the Leap Attack feat). They are not the same value.You'll notice that I even used the word &quot;doubled&quot; in my post.&nbsp; :\Furthermore you claim to &quot;read&quot; the feat to give triple the attack penalty in extra damage, while the multiplying rule frankthedm wanted to apply would leave us with 2x*3x= 4x . Actually, that's not &quot;how I want to run it&quot;. But due to my awe-inspiring mental abilities I am capable of keeping &quot;how I want to run it&quot; apart from &quot;what the feat says&quot;. That's not what it says and there's no reasonable way to read it like that.Here's a short quote from the CW Frenzied Berserker errata. &quot;A 10th-level frenzied berserker deals +100% the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat. In other words, when using the Power Attack feat, a frenzied berserker wielding a two-handed weapon gains a +4 bonus on damage rolls (instead of a +2 bonus) for each –1 penalty she applies to her attack rolls.&quot;) &quot;When this ability doubles the normal damage from Power Attack, why isn't the result +2 damage for each -1 penalty on attacks? Is &quot;the extra damage from Power Attack&quot; (Leap Attack) very different from &quot;the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat&quot; (Supreme Power Attack)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 3134582, member: 752"] I wasn't quoting you, I was summarizing your expressed position. You "read" the feat so that it "gives up to 3x the number subtracted for Power Attack". (A quote. You can tell by the quotation marks.) Since the feat clearly states that you get "triple the extra damage from Power Attack" with a two-handed weapon it follows that in order to read the feat to "give up 3x the number subtracted for Power Attack", then the extra damage from power attacking with a two-handed weapon must be equal to the number subtracted from your attack rolls. The logic involved is not very complicated. Nobody's offered that argument. What I said was: At no point do more than one multiplier apply to an abstract value. The values being multiplied are "the number subtracted from your attack rolls" (doubled as part of the regular Power Attack calculation) and "the extra damage from Power Attack" (tripled with the Leap Attack feat). They are not the same value. You'll notice that I even used the word "doubled" in my post. :\ Furthermore you claim to "read" the feat to give triple the attack penalty in extra damage, while the multiplying rule frankthedm wanted to apply would leave us with 2x*3x= 4x . Actually, that's not "how I want to run it". But due to my awe-inspiring mental abilities I am capable of keeping "how I want to run it" apart from "what the feat says". That's not what it says and there's no reasonable way to read it like that. Here's a short quote from the CW Frenzied Berserker errata. "A 10th-level frenzied berserker deals [U]+100% the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat[/U]. In other words, when using the Power Attack feat, a frenzied berserker wielding a [U]two-handed weapon [/U]gains a [U]+4 bonus on damage rolls[/U] (instead of a +2 bonus) for each –1 penalty she applies to her attack rolls.") " When this ability doubles the normal damage from Power Attack, why isn't the result +2 damage for each -1 penalty on attacks? Is "the extra damage from Power Attack" (Leap Attack) very different from "the normal damage from her use of the Power Attack feat" (Supreme Power Attack)? [/QUOTE]

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