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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 7270468" data-attributes="member: 12032">I'd not thought about the dual weapon vs staff and shield thing before.  I think that's a good point.  The only things I'd really point out is that:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">with the feat, shouldn't it be d8 for both weapons?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">with dual weapons, you can use Dex rather than Str.  In some cases that's a huge advantage (for example my last game in 5e was on the seas and heavy armor wasn't a reasonable choice for the most part).  </li> </ol>But that brings the damage to a tie, the AC bonus still +1 in favor of the staff wielder, and the opportunity attack.  Yeah, that still seems good unless you are set on a Dex fighter.  Same number of traits/feats and the weird one (staff and shield) largely beats out the traditional sword and shield.  Unrelated, I wish GWM was a bit worse (-2/+4 maybe?) and that Great Weapon Fighting didn't utterly suck (adds a bit less than +1 damage per weapon die, so something like +.9 or +1.8.).  I feel like fighting with a two-handed weapon just doesn't make much sense unless you have GWM.  The small damage difference isn't generally worth 2 points of AC.  (Two-handed sword vs. long sword is about 2 points in damage difference once you take into account fighting style).</blockquote>