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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 5820418" data-attributes="member: 8461">That's fine if the creatures under consideration are explicitly residents of this other world, but that's not the nature of demihumans - they dwell in the mortal world alongside their human counterparts. If elves are from another world, and not so common that you see them with regularity when you go about your home town, then the underlying paradigm has changed dramatically.I'm no Tolkien scholar, but as I recall the actual "mages" (as opposed to creatures like elves that had some magic innately) were angelic beings. Likewise, I'm not at all sure about the "greatest fighters" thing - that seems to be more of an assumption than anything actually depicted. But again, I'm not too familiar with the intricacies with the source material here.Honestly though, I think that the most salient point here is that D&D isn't Middle Earth, and doesn't carry the same assumptions on even the parts that look the same.I had the same thought when I read your post. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />So let me see if I understand this. You don't like the idea, but you can magnanimously find it within yourself to "forgive" Gary Gygax for it because he was a "pioneer" (which sounds suspiciously like "nobody knew any better back then"), but someone else writes a contemporary piece supporting the idea, and you "can't forgive" it?I had no idea the bar for forgiveness was so high."a bizarre assumption from a legendary perspective"? What legends are you referring to that explicitly state that elves are better than humans at wizardry, all else being equal?Likewise, why should you assume that adventurers are by definition extraordinary? It's entirely legitimate to assume that adventurers are average people who choose to persevere, rather than having some sort of innate extraordinariness.That depends on what you're riding. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />But in all honesty, the game can't be everything to everyone, and I'm of the opinion that it shouldn't try. If you don't want Vancian spellcasting, do you ask why the game and its rules just have to get in your way? (Not to mention that its easy to ignore the level limits if you really find them "unforgivable").Your post has made it very clear that your mind is made up where discussing this is concerned.</blockquote>

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