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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VinylTap" data-source="post: 6113013" data-attributes="member: 6697217">I agree with all that, you're completely right. Standard 5th is not the game you want, and its not even trying to be anything close to what you want. Criticizing it for not being what its not trying to be leads to less interesting conversation (imho). And I don't mean to get personal with this, and maybe you personally, are fine with that direction, and feel 5th isn't the game for you and that's fine. But it seems to be a re-occurring topic in a lot of these threads, and I used comments in your post to address what I see as an on-going, and often irresolvable issue. I get what you want out of your RPG, I think its an interesting way to play the game, but 5th is really trying to emphasize story telling, not tactical combat... Its never (ever) going to be about pitting the DM against the players, that idea goes very much against the goals the game designers have been laying out since pretty much day one. I feel that "I want the GM to go no holds barred for the NPCs and monsters, and the  players to go no holds barred for the PCs, and by application of the  mechanics we'll find out who overcomes whom, or what compromise is  reached." is looking for... a tactical miniature game wrapped up in a narrative structure. You need that sort of structure in a game that encourages you to go 'all out'. I think some people think you lose a bit of creativity in that structure, and that's what they're looking for out of their game.WOTC has you covered though, and I really hope they pour a ton of development time into the module that will follow in 4th footsteps. You guy deserve an awesome game dealing with the type of play you want.</blockquote>

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