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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 6113085" data-attributes="member: 4892">What you label 'weird' I label 'progression of talent.' The newbie adventurers tackle problems they can handle while "in training." Then they move onto White Plume Mountain.IME I disagree with this premise, but I understand it is an issue for many. I've hand many a newb jump into more complex characters from day one and 'get it' including my then 10-year-old son. It depends upon both the teacher(s) (other players and/or DM) and the one learning.They'll get to those. And rather quickly if you follow the suggested advancement rates. With foreshadowing you can build anticipation for just such things. [Real in-game example] You can even have the dangerous dragon of the fens make an appearance, with wiser NPC mentors telling the apprentices to flee for their lives. In the aftermath of the dragon's attack, the mentor and encampment are destroyed, building even more anticipation for working their way up to challenging the dragon. [/Real in-game example] I think even the crpg newbs understand that you start with blue oozes before going after Ganon.And yet I think a solution that adds versatility for OSR fans, helps fix front loading of classes for multiclassing, and allows those who decide to start at third to begin the game as a multiclass character worth the downsides you see.It also created over-powered Essentials-version characters in the hands of experienced players. Just ask the high level thief what he has to roll to hit ANY creature he meets. In the hands of an experienced player if he answers "2" don't be shocked.I don't think he intended that in his column either. I think many people can easily see how it can be used that way though with a little adjustment.I think those other elements are present. But I'm sure I could be re-educated on what else it would take to get that feel. I felt like I was able to achieve OSR feel in each edition except 4th so far.</blockquote>

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