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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 6372015" data-attributes="member: 9789">Wall of Force is a pretty amazing &quot;shut you down&quot; spell; it takes 1 opponent completely out of battle without a save.&nbsp; However it does require concentration, and whatever is in it is immune to you doing anything to it while it's in there, so it's not an auto-win - but it'd be a great move against the BBEG so you have time to take out all his minions... and then place, say, one or two tons of bricks above his head...Casting time is 1 action.&nbsp; Unless you were referring to the fact that no one can cast more than 1 9th level spell (except wizards after a short rest) per day, I'm not sure what you meant there.&nbsp; Also the spell specifically says your game stats are changed but you retain your personality; no reason to think once you make yourself into a red dragon you won't still be a pretty awesome 17th level wizard as well.&nbsp; It's at least a reasonable interpretation of the non-lawyerese rules.At least from the spell description, I think it's completely reasonable to think that any 17th level wizard could choose to be an adult red dragon from that point on without issue.&nbsp; Or better yet:&nbsp; make their sorcerer friend into one, since a red dragon's Int is only 16 but its Cha is 21 (hello respecing ability score boosts into feats...).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 6372015, member: 9789"] Wall of Force is a pretty amazing "shut you down" spell; it takes 1 opponent completely out of battle without a save. However it does require concentration, and whatever is in it is immune to you doing anything to it while it's in there, so it's not an auto-win - but it'd be a great move against the BBEG so you have time to take out all his minions... and then place, say, one or two tons of bricks above his head... Casting time is 1 action. Unless you were referring to the fact that no one can cast more than 1 9th level spell (except wizards after a short rest) per day, I'm not sure what you meant there. Also the spell specifically says your game stats are changed but you retain your personality; no reason to think once you make yourself into a red dragon you won't still be a pretty awesome 17th level wizard as well. It's at least a reasonable interpretation of the non-lawyerese rules. At least from the spell description, I think it's completely reasonable to think that any 17th level wizard could choose to be an adult red dragon from that point on without issue. Or better yet: make their sorcerer friend into one, since a red dragon's Int is only 16 but its Cha is 21 (hello respecing ability score boosts into feats...). [/QUOTE]

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