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<blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 2040378" data-attributes="member: 22882"><p>I would tend to start modern fantasy with Howard's first Conan stories, with a nod to Lord Dunsany and Lewis Carol, because post-Howard (and post-Lovecraft), we have a relatively steady flow of new fantasy written in a related mileu, and the emergence of "fantasy" as a distinct genre. Prior to Conan, fantasy is essentially lumped in with sci-fi, or even historical adventure.</p><p></p><p>Fantasy essentially undergoes a reset when Lord of the Rings becomes widely popular in the '60s, and a new generation of fantasy writers arises catering to this new market. Epic fantasy becomes the dominat subgenre and sword and sorcery becomes comparatively obscured. I'm not sure how much sword and sorcery really fades at this point; it's more a matter of epic fantasy being much bigger than sword and sorcery had been.</p><p></p><p>Nonetheless, the popularity of epic fantasy eventually leads to a renewed interest in sword and sorcery, as evidenced by the popularity of writers like Martin, and to hybrid "military fantasy" writers like Harry Turtledove, who essentially apply a sword and sorcery mindset to an epic fantasy plot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would largely agree with this. However, the real-world religious and philosophical differences (and also, I wager, the difference in the caliber of writing between the two specific examples <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ) make a huge difference in who enjoys the stories.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoogleEmpMog, post: 2040378, member: 22882"] I would tend to start modern fantasy with Howard's first Conan stories, with a nod to Lord Dunsany and Lewis Carol, because post-Howard (and post-Lovecraft), we have a relatively steady flow of new fantasy written in a related mileu, and the emergence of "fantasy" as a distinct genre. Prior to Conan, fantasy is essentially lumped in with sci-fi, or even historical adventure. Fantasy essentially undergoes a reset when Lord of the Rings becomes widely popular in the '60s, and a new generation of fantasy writers arises catering to this new market. Epic fantasy becomes the dominat subgenre and sword and sorcery becomes comparatively obscured. I'm not sure how much sword and sorcery really fades at this point; it's more a matter of epic fantasy being much bigger than sword and sorcery had been. Nonetheless, the popularity of epic fantasy eventually leads to a renewed interest in sword and sorcery, as evidenced by the popularity of writers like Martin, and to hybrid "military fantasy" writers like Harry Turtledove, who essentially apply a sword and sorcery mindset to an epic fantasy plot. I would largely agree with this. However, the real-world religious and philosophical differences (and also, I wager, the difference in the caliber of writing between the two specific examples ;) ) make a huge difference in who enjoys the stories. [/QUOTE]
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