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Level Up Playtest Document #14: Warlock
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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8232146" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>My solution would be to simply have Scythe allow you to manifest a couple different weapon types (or have a few weapon-style Blast options), and have Pact of The Blade explicitly add to Scythe rather than pretending it doesn't exist. I always thought Bladepact should just have let you pick a warlock cantrip, and cast it with a range of 5ft, and treat doing so as making a melee weapon attack by taking the attack action.</p><p>Boom. Now all the Eldritch Blast invocations also improve your Blade Pact attacks. Done.</p><p></p><p>I agree. I realised after a or of work that my Binder class is largely what I wanted the warlock to be in the first place, and one of the features that made me realise that was that I gave it Vestiges that increased it's spellcasting, letting you run a gamut from "warlock but without any spell invocations or mystic arcanum" to "full mystic arcanum casting plus lots of Vestiges that give 1/LR spells or let you learn a spell you normally couldn't." And my Ritual Tools (like pact boons, but it's a blade, bell, or bowl) each teaches you additional spells that count as Binder spells, and the Binder learns and prepares spells like a Wizard, but casts them like a Warlock, and has really strong ritual casting.</p><p></p><p>Having realised all that, i'm trying to be careful to not judge the level up warlock against my binder so much, and instead just compare it to the PHB warlock. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>I think this would actually open things up more than what is currently the case. I'd also add, as an invocation if necessary, the ability to spend a spell slot (or points, if we absolutely must keep spell points) to increase the stats of the familiar, just like casting a tasha's summon spell at a higher level. </p><p></p><p>Edit: In fact, I think my monster-pet subclass of my Binder class may steal that idea and have spell levels at which you can make your pet medium, and then large, sized. </p><p></p><p>Relatedly, perhaps the best way to go with pact of the chain is to actually bypass the find familiar spell, as such, and simply say that you can bind a familiar via a ritual or by spending [spell resource], and it follows xyz rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8232146, member: 6704184"] My solution would be to simply have Scythe allow you to manifest a couple different weapon types (or have a few weapon-style Blast options), and have Pact of The Blade explicitly add to Scythe rather than pretending it doesn't exist. I always thought Bladepact should just have let you pick a warlock cantrip, and cast it with a range of 5ft, and treat doing so as making a melee weapon attack by taking the attack action. Boom. Now all the Eldritch Blast invocations also improve your Blade Pact attacks. Done. I agree. I realised after a or of work that my Binder class is largely what I wanted the warlock to be in the first place, and one of the features that made me realise that was that I gave it Vestiges that increased it's spellcasting, letting you run a gamut from "warlock but without any spell invocations or mystic arcanum" to "full mystic arcanum casting plus lots of Vestiges that give 1/LR spells or let you learn a spell you normally couldn't." And my Ritual Tools (like pact boons, but it's a blade, bell, or bowl) each teaches you additional spells that count as Binder spells, and the Binder learns and prepares spells like a Wizard, but casts them like a Warlock, and has really strong ritual casting. Having realised all that, i'm trying to be careful to not judge the level up warlock against my binder so much, and instead just compare it to the PHB warlock. Agreed. I think this would actually open things up more than what is currently the case. I'd also add, as an invocation if necessary, the ability to spend a spell slot (or points, if we absolutely must keep spell points) to increase the stats of the familiar, just like casting a tasha's summon spell at a higher level. Edit: In fact, I think my monster-pet subclass of my Binder class may steal that idea and have spell levels at which you can make your pet medium, and then large, sized. Relatedly, perhaps the best way to go with pact of the chain is to actually bypass the find familiar spell, as such, and simply say that you can bind a familiar via a ritual or by spending [spell resource], and it follows xyz rules. [/QUOTE]
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