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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8232346" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>IMO, either the levelup fighter can handle another class being able to make 4 melee weapon attacks at high level if they choose a specific feature that locks them into a playstyle, or it isn't really an upgrade on the PHB fighter. I would either make this work on the warlock and then figure out if something needs to change in the fighter as a result, or ditch the gish warlock entirely. The worst thing about the phb warlock is that it <em>says</em> that it has an option for warrior-warlocks, but it actually doesn't. </p><p></p><p>A compromise I'd be willing to make, would be to have the pact of the blade not add ability mod to damage, and/or do a smaller damage die, with perhaps a chart where only two-handed weapons without reach do d10, and everything else ranges from d4 to d8. </p><p></p><p>But the fighter should have enough other stuff going on in levelup that feat combos aren't nearly as important to it's identity.</p><p></p><p>If I could actually get EC onto a survey, and it got shot down, I'd just axe it entirely. No sense in trying to make it something else, IMO. Maybe make it an invocation upgrade to any ranged EB. speaking of which*</p><p></p><p>IMO anything like that is too complicated for no meaningful gain. The attack pattern should either be the same as an Eldritch Blast/Ray/Spear blaster, or the same as a warrior class with Extra Attack. You have an attack that you make, and you can make it that many times as an action.</p><p></p><p>No, in a good way.</p><p></p><p>I'd just run it like Summon Beast and the like. HP, AC, damage, etc increase with spell level if you cast it with a spell slot, and those buffs last for x time based on spell slot, before the creature reverts back to it's normal stats.</p><p></p><p>Wait, what very long range? The range is either longbow range, which is only greater with a feat, or EB range. It's a force arrow longbow that uses your spellcasting modifier and can benefit from feats and the like. As a class feature, that's far from overpowered. </p><p></p><p></p><p>*So, I'm surprised I'm not seeing any "spend a spell slot as part of using Eldritch Blast to do XYZ, with numbers based on spell power" invocations and other features. I'm surprised actually that such features aren't in the PHB either. Like, heres an at-will ability with EB, and if you spend a spell slot you can increase the number of feat you move the target by ft per spell slot level, or spend a spell slot and deal EB damage to every creature within 5ft of the initial target, increasing the range by spell level, etc.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8232346, member: 6704184"] IMO, either the levelup fighter can handle another class being able to make 4 melee weapon attacks at high level if they choose a specific feature that locks them into a playstyle, or it isn't really an upgrade on the PHB fighter. I would either make this work on the warlock and then figure out if something needs to change in the fighter as a result, or ditch the gish warlock entirely. The worst thing about the phb warlock is that it [I]says[/I] that it has an option for warrior-warlocks, but it actually doesn't. A compromise I'd be willing to make, would be to have the pact of the blade not add ability mod to damage, and/or do a smaller damage die, with perhaps a chart where only two-handed weapons without reach do d10, and everything else ranges from d4 to d8. But the fighter should have enough other stuff going on in levelup that feat combos aren't nearly as important to it's identity. If I could actually get EC onto a survey, and it got shot down, I'd just axe it entirely. No sense in trying to make it something else, IMO. Maybe make it an invocation upgrade to any ranged EB. speaking of which* IMO anything like that is too complicated for no meaningful gain. The attack pattern should either be the same as an Eldritch Blast/Ray/Spear blaster, or the same as a warrior class with Extra Attack. You have an attack that you make, and you can make it that many times as an action. No, in a good way. I'd just run it like Summon Beast and the like. HP, AC, damage, etc increase with spell level if you cast it with a spell slot, and those buffs last for x time based on spell slot, before the creature reverts back to it's normal stats. Wait, what very long range? The range is either longbow range, which is only greater with a feat, or EB range. It's a force arrow longbow that uses your spellcasting modifier and can benefit from feats and the like. As a class feature, that's far from overpowered. *So, I'm surprised I'm not seeing any "spend a spell slot as part of using Eldritch Blast to do XYZ, with numbers based on spell power" invocations and other features. I'm surprised actually that such features aren't in the PHB either. Like, heres an at-will ability with EB, and if you spend a spell slot you can increase the number of feat you move the target by ft per spell slot level, or spend a spell slot and deal EB damage to every creature within 5ft of the initial target, increasing the range by spell level, etc. [/QUOTE]
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