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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7370774" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>No one is asking you to hold your breath over the issue, but it would be nice if you weren't hyperventilating so much over it either. </p><p></p><p>I don't think that these situations are comparable to PF2. 3.5 and PF1 more or less promised backwards compatibility to 3.0 and 3.5, respectively, whereas PF2 has not. This gives PF2 more room to maneuver with their changes. (Also keeping in mind that PF2 and 5E are also catering to different fantasy niches, which is something that gets lost in the assumption that they are both aiming for a single playstyle within a single shade of D&D.) </p><p></p><p>Honestly, your exaggerations aside, 5E did not make that many "massive" changes to spellcasting. That's why it's still considered "familiar." Comparing the major changes related to spellcasting between 3.5e and 5e, 5e introduced a new concentration mechanic that reduced buff stacking, stat caps (which also affected fighters) and removed bonus spells based on stats, upcasting of spell slots, reduced over-reliance on spell slots through cantrip attack spells, and created a slightly modified pseudo-Vancian system. Collectively, this is not a lot, particularly since some of these systems had already been variously implemented in 3-4e. </p><p></p><p>You certainly seemed to have already cast your judgment early. I don't think that the scant information we have so far warrants this level of fear-mongering about PF2 and the LFQW issue, and I say this as someone who is also not a fan of QWs. At this point in filling out our puzzle, we haven't even finished the outer border frame, so we have little sense for how the various pieces will fit together. Consider the above innovations from 5e, for example. How many of those did we know from the beginning? </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure why you are speaking of this as some sort of grudge match to the death.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7370774, member: 5142"] No one is asking you to hold your breath over the issue, but it would be nice if you weren't hyperventilating so much over it either. I don't think that these situations are comparable to PF2. 3.5 and PF1 more or less promised backwards compatibility to 3.0 and 3.5, respectively, whereas PF2 has not. This gives PF2 more room to maneuver with their changes. (Also keeping in mind that PF2 and 5E are also catering to different fantasy niches, which is something that gets lost in the assumption that they are both aiming for a single playstyle within a single shade of D&D.) Honestly, your exaggerations aside, 5E did not make that many "massive" changes to spellcasting. That's why it's still considered "familiar." Comparing the major changes related to spellcasting between 3.5e and 5e, 5e introduced a new concentration mechanic that reduced buff stacking, stat caps (which also affected fighters) and removed bonus spells based on stats, upcasting of spell slots, reduced over-reliance on spell slots through cantrip attack spells, and created a slightly modified pseudo-Vancian system. Collectively, this is not a lot, particularly since some of these systems had already been variously implemented in 3-4e. You certainly seemed to have already cast your judgment early. I don't think that the scant information we have so far warrants this level of fear-mongering about PF2 and the LFQW issue, and I say this as someone who is also not a fan of QWs. At this point in filling out our puzzle, we haven't even finished the outer border frame, so we have little sense for how the various pieces will fit together. Consider the above innovations from 5e, for example. How many of those did we know from the beginning? I'm not sure why you are speaking of this as some sort of grudge match to the death. [/QUOTE]
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