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<blockquote data-quote="bmfb1980" data-source="post: 7371379" data-attributes="member: 6944383"><p>Spoken like someone who can only guess what the past was like. Youth is indeed wasted on the young... well I understand your position as I was once a 20-something and thought I knew everything. And as every father and grandfather comes to know and understand... you really don't know anything and will regret in your later years that you truly did not embrace the wisdom of those before you.</p><p></p><p>All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.</p><p></p><p>I've been a technical engineer all my life, and thank you very much, I prefer to leave all the insidious details to work and enjoy my fun without them. So yes, I was born on those AD&D books you find so amusing, and while original D&D was simpler, it was also totally unfettered and got boring when everyone advanced to level 100+. That was the only thing wrong with it. With AD&D, you had to actually work to go up in level. And the rules, though more complicated by D&D standards, are NOTHING to the thousands of pages of rules that have been added since (basic math will tell you that, 230 pages is less than or equal to how-many thousands lol)... you are completely in the wrong suggesting old AD&D is more complicated than any modern edition!!!!!!!!!!! You've <u>obviously </u>never actually played a long-term campaign by an <u>expert </u>DM with 2nd ed rulesets... indeed you couldn't do that if all you are used to is patching some online things together.</p><p></p><p>If TSR didn't need to increase sales, I don't think there would have been any further editions beyond the 2nd ed. It was that good, and everything else after that diminished and diluted the original. They should have given it a new name as it was never the same.</p><p></p><p>The point that you think it completely "normal" and "good" that everyone goes online to play a game meant for in-person interaction... is indicative of the times. But that doesn't mean it's better. That message is repeated ad nauseam by social pundits and commentators and scientists, who easily point out shortfalls of your digital life. You should pay attention, and try something like it was supposed to be... you might like and prefer it. It should be easy now, since as you say, millions and millions are now playing right? Just like in the past, when you could easily find a group of people in your hometown to get together and play... I'm sure you can easily go to your hometown and find just as many people today right? Um, not. You can't find anyone locally to play today, and have to use the crutch of a digital community to find a group of players. That is the truth... and yes, backs my earlier comment about the numbers being DOWN instead of up. yes, when you start counting the entire connected world... your numbers will appear to be "UP" but that is statistical manipulation. (more of that beaurocratical mindset, but I wont' go there...) so rail against me all you want, and proclaim with all the trumpets on high just how wonderful and magical your digital, connected, virtual game is.... but some actually know just how different and diluted it is compared to what was. That's the difference between steamy youth and wisdom/experience.</p><p></p><p>I'm happy you are so passionate about defending your modern digital philosophy and gaming style. <strong>I REALLY AM HAPPY FOR YOU!</strong> Please understand that. It's a good thing. but take the blinders and rose-colored glasses off please. I'm just as digital as you, but prefer to see my Mona Lisa's in person, and not in a chatroom or facebook page.... which is essentially what you are doing. You say the original, the classics.. are no better than your digital, depthless, modern counterparts. Beethoven is better heard on my iPod than in a symphony hall, according to your logic! LOL LOL LOL LOL. Ahhh, thanks for making me grin with amusement on that one.</p><p></p><p>Completely delusional... ah, the joys of youth!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bmfb1980, post: 7371379, member: 6944383"] Spoken like someone who can only guess what the past was like. Youth is indeed wasted on the young... well I understand your position as I was once a 20-something and thought I knew everything. And as every father and grandfather comes to know and understand... you really don't know anything and will regret in your later years that you truly did not embrace the wisdom of those before you. All this has happened before, and all this will happen again. I've been a technical engineer all my life, and thank you very much, I prefer to leave all the insidious details to work and enjoy my fun without them. So yes, I was born on those AD&D books you find so amusing, and while original D&D was simpler, it was also totally unfettered and got boring when everyone advanced to level 100+. That was the only thing wrong with it. With AD&D, you had to actually work to go up in level. And the rules, though more complicated by D&D standards, are NOTHING to the thousands of pages of rules that have been added since (basic math will tell you that, 230 pages is less than or equal to how-many thousands lol)... you are completely in the wrong suggesting old AD&D is more complicated than any modern edition!!!!!!!!!!! You've [U]obviously [/U]never actually played a long-term campaign by an [U]expert [/U]DM with 2nd ed rulesets... indeed you couldn't do that if all you are used to is patching some online things together. If TSR didn't need to increase sales, I don't think there would have been any further editions beyond the 2nd ed. It was that good, and everything else after that diminished and diluted the original. They should have given it a new name as it was never the same. The point that you think it completely "normal" and "good" that everyone goes online to play a game meant for in-person interaction... is indicative of the times. But that doesn't mean it's better. That message is repeated ad nauseam by social pundits and commentators and scientists, who easily point out shortfalls of your digital life. You should pay attention, and try something like it was supposed to be... you might like and prefer it. It should be easy now, since as you say, millions and millions are now playing right? Just like in the past, when you could easily find a group of people in your hometown to get together and play... I'm sure you can easily go to your hometown and find just as many people today right? Um, not. You can't find anyone locally to play today, and have to use the crutch of a digital community to find a group of players. That is the truth... and yes, backs my earlier comment about the numbers being DOWN instead of up. yes, when you start counting the entire connected world... your numbers will appear to be "UP" but that is statistical manipulation. (more of that beaurocratical mindset, but I wont' go there...) so rail against me all you want, and proclaim with all the trumpets on high just how wonderful and magical your digital, connected, virtual game is.... but some actually know just how different and diluted it is compared to what was. That's the difference between steamy youth and wisdom/experience. I'm happy you are so passionate about defending your modern digital philosophy and gaming style. [B]I REALLY AM HAPPY FOR YOU![/B] Please understand that. It's a good thing. but take the blinders and rose-colored glasses off please. I'm just as digital as you, but prefer to see my Mona Lisa's in person, and not in a chatroom or facebook page.... which is essentially what you are doing. You say the original, the classics.. are no better than your digital, depthless, modern counterparts. Beethoven is better heard on my iPod than in a symphony hall, according to your logic! LOL LOL LOL LOL. Ahhh, thanks for making me grin with amusement on that one. Completely delusional... ah, the joys of youth! [/QUOTE]
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