Lifting an enemy?

illwizard

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During our last session the Warlord in my group was engaged in melee with the last remaining dragonshield Kobold in the Irontooth encounter in KoTS. Anyway, the Kobold was only on a few more hp and the Warlord grabbed him per PHB pg 290. He then wanted to lift the kobold off the ground (1 handed) and make an intimidate check to force his surrender. I was wondering what sort of check do you think he would need to make to lift the kobold? I said a strength check vs the kobold's fortitude defence but now I'm not sure that was the correct option. Any ideas?
Also I believe administering a potion to a fallen ally doesn't provoke an OA, but I just can't picture that, so I am going to houserule that it does provoke. Have I got it wrong or has anyone else houseruled or thought the same? Cheers.
 

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I think thats easy to rule. To grab someone and lift him up is just fluff - just telling how he hinders the enemy to move away.

it should be:

1st round
standard action - grab the enemy

2nd round
minor action - sustain grab
standard action - intimidate

As intimidation needs a reason to work in combat immobilizing the victim could help in explaining why the enemy could give up.
If the player spends a action point he could do that in a round because he now has 2 standard actions.
The better the player describes his action, the easier it is for me to houserule a lower will defense because of good rp (2 point bonus in example).

@using a potion on a player triggering OA
I am not doing that because players helping players is important and shouldn't be a risk that high. Healing potions aren't that great to make them worse either. In our group healing potions are for npcs ^^. We got a paladin multiclass warlord, a fighter with a healing sash and a warlock multiclass warlord in our group so healing is no prob at all.
 
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During our last session the Warlord in my group was engaged in melee with the last remaining dragonshield Kobold in the Irontooth encounter in KoTS. Anyway, the Kobold was only on a few more hp and the Warlord grabbed him per PHB pg 290. He then wanted to lift the kobold off the ground (1 handed) and make an intimidate check to force his surrender. I was wondering what sort of check do you think he would need to make to lift the kobold? I said a strength check vs the kobold's fortitude defence but now I'm not sure that was the correct option. Any ideas?

No roll at all.

The kobold was already immobilized and is subject to be intimidated by its low hp level, so the whole "lift him off the ground one handed" bit is just adding color to the scene with no mechanical impact at all. Things with no mechanical impact just "make the scene look cooler" value should be encouraged, and one encourages them by simply saying yes. See DMG28.

Also I believe administering a potion to a fallen ally doesn't provoke an OA, but I just can't picture that, so I am going to houserule that it does provoke. Have I got it wrong or has anyone else houseruled or thought the same? Cheers.

Same issue, new situation. Don't focus on "what can I do to make the PCs fail" as that is not the DM's job. Focus on "what can I do to make the PCs seem cool and the players have fun". Potentially knocking one PC out of play for his attempt to bring another PC back into play is counter-productive if the goal is to have the PCs active and doing cool things. And that should be the goal.
 

During our last session the Warlord in my group was engaged in melee with the last remaining dragonshield Kobold in the Irontooth encounter in KoTS. Anyway, the Kobold was only on a few more hp and the Warlord grabbed him per PHB pg 290. He then wanted to lift the kobold off the ground (1 handed) and make an intimidate check to force his surrender. I was wondering what sort of check do you think he would need to make to lift the kobold? I said a strength check vs the kobold's fortitude defence but now I'm not sure that was the correct option. Any ideas?
Also I believe administering a potion to a fallen ally doesn't provoke an OA, but I just can't picture that, so I am going to houserule that it does provoke. Have I got it wrong or has anyone else houseruled or thought the same? Cheers.

Look for inspiration on DMG 42. But I think the easiest solution would be just using the Intimidate check itself and describing it as him lifting of the Kobold.

Very little provokes OA in 4E. I think it doesn't provoke simply because it makes in-combat healing to dangerous. But if the game works better for you this way, why not?
 

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