Limited Wish/Wish to respec a character?

[dvvega]

Ummm why does he want to wish the Diviner levels?

You can qualify for Loremaster by working at it. If he's having problems qualifying then you could allow the wish to supply one or two prerequisites that he doesn't have.

Then next level he can become a Loremaster.

If he's just trying to munchkin his ability then no dice

 

[gamecat]

The Wish spell takes away the DM's "power" - basically, it lets players do what they want.

So it's a game of DM vs. Players? What the hell kinda game do you run?

 

[Alejandro]

Hi, me again. If you've not played Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil, please know that it can alternately be a meatgrinder or a mystery. Kestrel has already posted his frustrations with a few powergamers in the party, and has taken steps to add more intrigue to the plot. I love intrigue.

My wizard was designed with the personality of a combat mage but has shouldered the responsibility of being the party investigator and researcher. He is not a Diviner nor a Loremaster, though he can certainly qualify as one by the time he gets Limited Wish. However, the campaign is rapidly accelerating towards what may possibly be the destruction of the world. Lacking the knowledge that could otherwise have been gained by a few months of solid research, he's hoping to use his knowledge of magic to gain what cannot rationally be obtained quickly (training as a Diviner and Loremaster).

I think this topic should have been placed in General Discussion. There seems to be precious few precedents for such a fundamental alteration of a character, though the Simbul's routine use of Wish to rearrange her sorceror spells known is somewhat similar.

Hope the background info helps. Your suggestions are very much appreciated.

 

[Crothian]

I'd allow the wish to convert a general Wizard to a Diver, but as DM I'd pick the opposing school. It would not in any way effect spells known, feat selection, or skill point allocation.

And when PCs have wishes, as DM I like to talk to them before they wish. I see wishes as a creative way to reward PCs. Not as a way to screw over PCs by trying to pervert their wish.

 

[drowdude]

Personally, I would just let him rework his character with the levels he wants to have, wish or no wish. The game is all about having fun, and so long as the end result is balanced I dont see a real problem.

 

[LostSoul]

So it's a game of DM vs. Players? What the hell kinda game do you run?

I don't run a game like that. But when I hear about how DMs try to screw with a player's Wish, I imagine that that's why. Power issues.

My take on Wish is that it's still a 9th level spell. It's no more powerful than any other 9th level spell.

 

[Darkness]

For a full wish, I might allow the change to Diviner...

 

[Derren]

The Fate Card from a Deck of Many Things could do that. But I think that is a bit to risky for the PC.

 

[gamecat]

My take on Wish is that it's still a 9th level spell. It's no more powerful than any other 9th level spell.

The "any other 9th level spell" doesn't cost you 5,000 xp, bub.