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Message: <blockquote data-quote="discosoc" data-source="post: 7006142" data-attributes="member: 6801554">Since the horses are in the middle of the road, and the goblins are specifically crouched in the bushes watching the area for someone to approach, it's not possible for the player to stealth out into the open like that without the use of something like Invisibility.  Basically, their stealth check might very well be great and result in them being quiet, but they are still out in the open.I'd explain that to the player before they attempt it.  They don't have to know there are goblins waiting in ambush, but they should know that stealthing out in the open like that isn't really going to work.  Depending on what the edge of the road looks like, they might decide to try stealthing alongside it (perhaps there's a ditch on either side, or maybe the road is lined with bushes all the way down).  In that case, they'd roll stealth against the goblin's passive perception and the goblin's stealth check would be compared to that player's passive perception.  One or both sides might notice the other trying to hide, or they may not detect each other at all.  If the player decides the area is clear and approaches the horses, then the goblins would notice him because he just left cover (he's now in the open).  Otherwise, the player can stealth back to the party and report what he saw.On a side note, situations like this generally warrant the goblin's having advantage on their passive perception since they are specifically setting an ambush and waiting to spring the trap.  Normal passive perception is for what people will just notice without paying much attention, but things like an alert guard on duty or goblins waiting to ambush should probably have advantage.  Advantage is handled with passive scores by simply adding 5 to the passive perception.  So if you decide that the goblins are attentive enough to warrant it, their passive perception would be 14.  You could also just as easily rule that these goblins are hardly organized or disciplined enough to stay focused on the ambush, and the mere fact that they can keep quite in the bushes justifies the normal passive perception of 9.</blockquote>

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