Logos's The Destroyers **Recruiting**

[Kobold Stew]

(just as a note if your took jack of all trades to not use it, i would suggest a different feat at level up) .

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except for indulgence who is aged 2+party members years.

I couldn't disagree more, and the snarky suggestion to retrain is unnecessary. I chose the feat for a reason, and the reason remains valid. For warlord Insight and perception are untrained, and so the feat gives a bonus to the passive insight/perception, which you presumably rolled for each of us when we approached the trapped room, and which as it turned out we happened all to fail. If you ever called for an acrobatics roll, or a knowledge roll, or any other specific roll, then Indulgence is 10% more likely to succeed. This is, or at least should be, a great benefit.

Where it doesn't help is in skill challenges, as here. An untrained skill is going to be at +6 to +8 in this case, even with the feat, which is less than the trained skills, and where she can expect 2 failures for every success (2:1). Given that the penalty comes at 3 failures, and the victory at 12 (4:1), the imbalance (8:1) is hugely disproportionate to any effort put in.

Look at the liabilities Indulgence suffered: *because she tried*, she is aged an *extra* 4-5 years. Not trying in this case would have been much more advantageous. As it stands, as my IC post demonstrated, is that it is not worth trying to avoid these things with suboptimal skills. Everyone has now aged 6 years, except for indulgence who has aged 10 or 11 (depending on what you mean by 2+part members), and we are less than halfway to success.

 

[OnlytheStrong]

I gotta agree with KS on this one. I can easily see my rogue (although not too concerned about his age), turning and leaving. He went through alot just to get to this point, including falling into 2 traps in 2 rooms. I can understand and appreciate the traps, I don't see where we had any chance to disarm/disable them. I assume that we all failed our P.P rolls, which is probably just bad luck.

Aramil is athletic..... where most of his skills lie. He is grossly unsuited to this task.

 

[Walking Dad]

I'm with KS and Only. Terminus ony at least average chance for success skills for this are Arcana (failed), Thievery (don't allowed to try because unappprociate; one success from another character.

... Insight, how does this sphere work, where does it get its power from, would it be a good idea to hit it...

Insight (my third good skill), is described as:

You can discern intent and decipher body language during social interactions. You make an Insight check to comprehend motives, to read between the lines, to get a sense of moods and attitudes, and to determine how truthful someone is being.

It is as unapprociate as the other social skills.

 

[Logos7]

My Bad on the insight skill description (its what I get for posting to try to be helpful i surpose and not double checking ).

moral of the story, yeah its railroady and yeah its frustrating, BUT i'm getting nothing, I'm not getting IC: OMG Lets Leave, Im getting 2 posts from one person over the course of the week more or less.

Quite frankly if you are too afraid of losing the game, to play the game thats fine. No one wants to play, the game gets canned that's the short answer. I personally don't appreciate being portrayed as the villian for what i thought where helpfully minded suggestions, and I don't personally want to drag anyone into a game they don't want to play. Teach me to try to do a warm up course before the main dealio.

Either way guys, you have official moved this from fun to unfun for me, so here I am I'm resigning. Sorry about that

L

 

[OnlytheStrong]

No one likes being railroaded. The game had potential but was HARD to get into. It seemed like we got railroaded at the very start. You don't have to do everything your players want, but give choices. Even if you eventually work them back the way you wanted to go.


Bottom line: I rarely complain about DM-ing. This was unfair and really not fun from the start.

 

[Walking Dad]

I'm not afraid loosing a game. But forced to do nothing and hearing complains about it is unfun to me.

(its what I get for posting to try to be helpful i surpose and not double checking )

That was no complaining, I just wanted to show, that Terminus had no real chance to further contribute to the skill challenge. And that was the reason I didn't post more often.

 

[Drowned Hero]

Im still up for the game despise the disagreements and points of view. If you choose to take down the game i thank you (all) for the ride and we might meet in another thread.

-DH

 

[Kobold Stew]

Agreed. It is not my hope for the game to end; I saw our discussions as being part of growing pains, particularly in terms of integrating 4e to a text-only, time-lagged format. Which is difficult, admittedly.

But I'd happily play a game (this one or another) with any of you, and I hope I do.

Kobold Stew.

 

[Walking Dad]

I'm still here. And when the game goes on and I have the chance to do something I'm fine.

This was my first big skill challenge. Mistakes on both sides are no reason to kill a game.

 

[Walking Dad]

I consider this game pending and will delete my subscriptions. If this is going again, send me a PM or post in the ooc thread of one of my games (see my signature).