(long) Did I do the right thing?
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GnomeWorks
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Tiefling said:
*sniff, sniff*
Hmm... and considering that ReiDuck hasn't posted since, either...
Though I somewhat doubt it... though that might make it seem to be a troll, I don't really think so... Irony's only been here a small while, so I doubt that he would want to troll...
Not only that, but if ReiDuck was aware that Irony came out here, ReiDuck might have come out here searching for something like this...
So I somewhat doubt that this is a troll... it is possible, as much as anything else could be a troll... but I doubt it...
I'm not a troll, but its would be a good troll topic. Its... ironic that i cant actually prove that I'm not a troll, but I'm not.
And there is nothing wrong with Kobolds. They are like gnomes, but less... bad. I mean, look at what Arwink has done with kobolds in his story hours. If the common society "sort of" accepts them, they are a viable PC race, as are goblins and orcs.
But... I digress. I'm not a troll.
BUT, if I was one, i wouldn't have used a brand new account to attack myself. It would be better to use your real acount, or at least... one of them, to attack one's newer "troll" account.
In any case, I'm not a troll. But now that I have the idea...
And there is nothing wrong with Kobolds. They are like gnomes, but less... bad. I mean, look at what Arwink has done with kobolds in his story hours. If the common society "sort of" accepts them, they are a viable PC race, as are goblins and orcs.
But... I digress. I'm not a troll.
BUT, if I was one, i wouldn't have used a brand new account to attack myself. It would be better to use your real acount, or at least... one of them, to attack one's newer "troll" account.
In any case, I'm not a troll. But now that I have the idea...
Kichwas
Half-breed
OopsEl Seso said:
Yeah... That's how I read it.
If you're in High School, as a Junior; you may actually be able to get into a college group. But you might find them a bit pretentious and looking down on you for your age until you -prove- yourself. Which usually involves having to behave three times better than they actually do...
However, at the High School age, you should not have to put up with people your age acting in this manner... You should be able to find peers your age who act in a mature manner.
That is, assuming you are acting mature and that the person from your group who came in here to challenge you was wrong... If he was right, then you'll be stuck with this kind of scene until such a point in time where your behaivoir shifts to the point that he is no longer right.
Either way, best of luck to you, and to him, in finding whatever serves each of your tastes best. It's probable that the two of you are not such for each other.
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No, really?
Just a few things.
First, I did not actually threaten our friend Irony. It's more of an in-joke, to be honest. I'm 5'2 and weigh 95 lbs, and he's 6'4 and wieghs 230 lbs, and when I routinely piss him off, he often picks me up and turns me upside down. It's a rather unpleasant experience. But this really isn't my main point.
As for overusage of kobolds, I have nothing against kobold towns or kobold worlds. But his campaigns always seem to focus on kobolds and he always attempts to play a kobold character. But this isn't my main point either.
All I was trying to do is defend my friends in Irony's group, who he unfairly portrayed as being immature. Yes, they do have short attention spans, but the fault of the breakup that day was in some part Irony's.
That's all. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to threaten or hurt anyone. I just thought that Irony gave a highly unfair and extremely biased account of the game.
Just a few things.
First, I did not actually threaten our friend Irony. It's more of an in-joke, to be honest. I'm 5'2 and weigh 95 lbs, and he's 6'4 and wieghs 230 lbs, and when I routinely piss him off, he often picks me up and turns me upside down. It's a rather unpleasant experience. But this really isn't my main point.
As for overusage of kobolds, I have nothing against kobold towns or kobold worlds. But his campaigns always seem to focus on kobolds and he always attempts to play a kobold character. But this isn't my main point either.
All I was trying to do is defend my friends in Irony's group, who he unfairly portrayed as being immature. Yes, they do have short attention spans, but the fault of the breakup that day was in some part Irony's.
That's all. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm not trying to threaten or hurt anyone. I just thought that Irony gave a highly unfair and extremely biased account of the game.
An0nymo|_|s
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Alright, im new to these boards, but i dont believe that takes away my right to freedom of speech, eh? no, didnt thiknk so. so im gonan have my due.
Hi, im an anonymous player from the game described by Irony. Hence my name is anonymous, and your ognna have a time figuring me out.
FIrst of all, and i know in this DMs mind he was dreading when one of the players would make his way onto the post, id like to point out SEVERAL, and i mean TONS of misleading, and downright false information posted.
Additionally, the post is a somewhat "fairweather" DnD player, only around when everything is happy go lucky, and hightails it the second things start to look bad. The core players, 4 of us, not including the poster, have been in every campaign, and stuck with it. The poster has floated off and on as he pleased. At times, when a new group was starting out, and we were in a boring rut, he entirely jumped ship w/o warning, dashed off to this other game. in 3 weeks he was "dismissed", from waht i gathered, and crawled back to our game, which was still running.
Lets start out in the very beginning, and i mean, like first sentence almost:
Before I start. a few facts:
1. I'm a junior in high school <-----------True
2. All the players are sophmores save me <--------------True
3. We've been playing on and off since they started high school, so about two years. <------------ False. 3rd item he posts is false. what does that tell about this post? right oh. we have played since the DM was a freshman, we were 8th grade. He likes to hide this point, to display himself as the most mature of the group by far, and downplay how well we grasp AD&D.
4. We've only played 3e. <------- False. 3e was just coming out, but we had started a 2e campaign (note the correct spelling of campaign) when we decided to try it. Most of us were against 3e, as we felt it broke away from the norm too drastically, and was simply put, a dumber game. this shows we already understood the realm of DnD aswell.
5. Our campains so far (not me DMing), are basically hack and slash, with thin plot and crazy antisocial characters. I didnt DM those, and usually my characters were the least... liberal of the lot. <-------You the most liberal? Try the most detrimental, idiotic, and "do your own thing" player. Antisocial? if anything, we were only this because you attempted to display the "ideal" roleplayer, and we knew if we started any such attempt at serious roleplaying you would go psycho, and HAULT the plot entirely for the next 10 minutes, literally.
6. We have never had a campain survive beyond 8th level. <----------- Possibly not a campaign you were in. We hit 13th in that same campaign. You left for another campaign, believing the grass is always greener on the other side, so to say.
So here's the deal. I've been a long time playing, and I've always wanted to DM. I think I'm a pretty creative guy, and I'd make a pretty good DM. <-------- Fine, point taken. Drop it
I can act: I do voices, and facial expressions, and hand movements, and everything when I do NPCs. Its half the fun. <------- Half the fun for you perhaps. Half the retardness for the players. PCs dont appreciate it when u go off for a basic soliloqui playing a freaking druid kobold acting out some irrelevant crap that has nothing to do with the campaign. If you want to be an actor join the drama club, not DnD, ok? kthnxbye
I can write: I write in my spare time, and i think i do an OK job with describing the scene, arching the storyline, etc. <----- Thats dandy. Try to describe and write storylines that the group will enjoy, versus you just enjoying the writing of it. Remember, you are DMing the players, not DMing your own fairy tale land in your head.
I know the rules: I've been playing long enough that I, well, know the rules. <---- You know many. You make more up. Point taken.
I prep: I spent a long time preping for sessions. I have stats for everyone important, names and a feeling of thier power level for everyone who isnt, possible dialog, maps, the whole nine yards. <---- Nifty. Make sure its a game that the PCs and yourself will enjoy before you go the whoel 9 yards.
I can wing it: I'm pretty good at going with the flow, making things up as i go along. <---- Hah
All in all, i think that given the chance i would be a pretty good DM.
----- You may, but you gotta pay your dues.
So finally, the group gives me the chance.
----- Ahh yes, down to the good stuff at last!
They say, "You, you DM this time. We want you to." <---- More like you complain and complain and complain about our previous campaign that we decide to have you campaign to make you freaking shut up.
I say, "Well, sure guys. But I gotta tell you. I like the roleplaying. I like the heroic, epic storyline. I like the valient heros, what with the saving the day, and the getting the girl, and the piles of gold. Are you OK with playing that way: Epic scope, mentally stable characters, working for the good of the world, that whole deal?"
-------- *buzzer noise* WRONG. never, ever, EVER did you utter such words to us as a group. NOT ONCE. you may have decided to have this type of campaign in your mind, but it wasnt told to us, in any form of words such as those. that is a flat out lie.
They say, "Yah, we're getting a little tired of killing goblins and stuff. Dungeon-crawls get boring. And maybe it would be nice to play some normal characters for a change. Epic scope would be good. Yah, sure we agree to be good."
----- No, again. You were tired of it. We werent bored of it, you were, you were ruining our game so we put our game on pause to run yours. No epic scope crap, some DM you are. If you knew ur players remotely you would know we like to play our characters without tons of restrictions. You desiring to DM a party of first rate Paladins isnt what your gonan get. Dream on buddy
And I say, "Give me a week."
--- You say "lets start now" we say "its late, we gotta break up. Your gonna DM next session, k?" You say " Ok" n.b. we have sessions once a week
So, tonight we played. Mind you, I spent about three hours doing "real" prepwork, and all week doing "mental" prepwork.
I show up on time. Everyone except the host (who lives down the street from me) shows up about... an hour late.
-------Hrmmm, so many things to say, and yet, i cant. Well, basically, you have no life so you were there early. Everyone else had things to do, and showed up on time. stop spewing lies already! its not becoming atall.
"So, guys, do you have your heroic characters?"
----- We never stated that we wanted to play heroic pos. thnx
Player T: "Well, yah. I have an elven fighter. He has a bow. He kills evil."
----- Hrmmm, never did this person state he kills evil. he kills stuff most likely
"Well, thats good. I look forward to DMing a hero like that."
----- Nope, never happened. Lie
Player A: "Well, yah, my gnome barbarian is ready. What with his six donkeys loaded up with illicit drugs and BoVD torture equipment."
------- You got a problem with that? Address it before the game.
"Umm... thats not really what I had in mind. Is he... nice to people?"
----- Never happened
Player A: "NOOO! He hates people. He's crazy."
----- Never happened
"Well, maybe the rest of the party will get him to shape up. So, Host, whats your character?"
----- Never happened
Host: "Oh, he's a mage. But he doesnt cast offesnive spells."
---- Sorta happened, he told u he wears full plate, and u listend to us making our characters. never did you address him directly.
"So, a defense mage?"
----- Never happened
Host: "Sort of. He doesnt really like magic. He likes swords. See, he casts shield and obscuring mist, then he dons his full plate and wades into battle. But he's nice to people."
------ You gathered this from us preping. never addressed. you cant just make up stuff to support your side, ok? thats called lying.
"Well, its not what I had in mind, but at least you stuck to the PH. Player K, whats your character?"
Player K: "I dont have one. Can I play a Hengaokai (shapeshifting humans from oriental adventures, his favorite book)"
------ Dont even try this one. He asked to play a 3rd level ranger, 1st level Hengaokai WAY into the session. You basically made people start, before u let this person gen his character. and then the bit about how thats not normal.....AND YET THE FIRST THING WE ENCOUNTER IS A DRUID KOBOLD ARGGHHH alil hypocritic?
"Umm... no. Thats a bit weird. Can we get started?"
---- There you go. besides the fact he asked to play that character after we started, u display your pitiful DMing skillz by denying a player request that greatly affects the game, then rush on, w/o him having a character
And they say "OK!"
So what do they do?
The first NPC is a KOBOLD DRUID, the son of a mage in town. They cant decide whether to truss him, iron maiden him, or just simply cruisfy him, so tehy end up just letting him leave. This encounter was suposed to be a flavor encounter, to introduce a helpful NPC to the characters, and to maybe improve their standings in the town tehy are going to, which distrusts strangers. It should have taken about five minutes. It took forty.
----- Alil extraggeration to support your cause? always good. wait, durr, this is public, you cant spew lies. right. (it took 20)
*******NOTE BENE: our background, which the DM basically set upon us (didnt get to write our own) entailed us being dismissed from the army after a set of brutal wars with goblinoid kinda, which included, killing kobolds. we were hardy warriors, accustomed to killing "evil" races. stop and think, you could be dead. and then the DM expects us to stop and talk with this kobold after we just slaughterd 100 of them to save our lands? righttttttt
So then they get to town. A guard asks "who goes," and their response, well, I cant say it on these boards. It involved illegitamate children, and feces, and nasty things in reference to the location of the towns stables.
----- Maybe have your gaurd not be such a prick. Nothing was stated about feces, illegitamate children, AND ESPECIALLY nothing about the town in its relation to any stables. did we know there were stables? HAH! yah right. You gave a half ass, pitiful discription of the town that left us wondering... "what the?"
They spent the next twenty minutes (real time), belittling the guard, who by this time has called for reinforcements, who they also belittle. That encounter should have a. been a plesant one after the inital hostility of a secluded townguard and b. taken about three minutes. So far, they havent even gotten to a STATTED character yet. Everything I do to try to push them along, only makes them do dumber and dumber things. After everything I said came five minutes of debate over the best way to belittle me, or the NPCs, or the game in general.
----- So far your campaign was a joke. nuff said
What am I to do when they wont take anything seriously? Should I just let them fight the much larger town militia, who would probably outright kill them? Should I just start yelling? What?
----- As you preach "no metagaming" so no, your not allowed to yell. Act in accordance, throw the militia at us. it would at least be fun. do we have to follow your plot, or are we adventurers in your realm? decide
So I left. I packed up my dice and left. "Notify me when you graduate from second grade." I said.
As I was leaving, the host said, "We're willing to give you one more chance, and we promise not to fool around."
----- No begging/whining occured. we stated once if you would like to come back you can, and made sure you didnt slam the door.
THEY want to give ME another chance? Shouldnt it be the other way around?
I just kept walking.
"Grow up," I said.
here i would liek to point a few more things out. THis DM, so to say, is very fickle, always changing his mind, this, that, bored i wanna try something new. its hard to expect what is coming next. this leads to my next point.....
the DM played along, laughed at our jokes, added on to them, had his NPCs "taunt" us on, basically supporting what was happening for a good time, then all of a sudden, say "stop fooling around! did you give the last DM this much grief?" etc etc.
so we had no way to know what he was really feeling. on one side, he was another guy having a fun time with DnD, joking around, fooling with things, laughing out loud at our jokes, etc.
then the next instant, flaming red in the face, pissed to hell. you grow up. learn to deal with real life situations. your the DM, use your powers to make something of the game.
some DM if you ask me. i hope in the light of this information you take a little different look at what really occurred last friday
Hi, im an anonymous player from the game described by Irony. Hence my name is anonymous, and your ognna have a time figuring me out.
FIrst of all, and i know in this DMs mind he was dreading when one of the players would make his way onto the post, id like to point out SEVERAL, and i mean TONS of misleading, and downright false information posted.
Additionally, the post is a somewhat "fairweather" DnD player, only around when everything is happy go lucky, and hightails it the second things start to look bad. The core players, 4 of us, not including the poster, have been in every campaign, and stuck with it. The poster has floated off and on as he pleased. At times, when a new group was starting out, and we were in a boring rut, he entirely jumped ship w/o warning, dashed off to this other game. in 3 weeks he was "dismissed", from waht i gathered, and crawled back to our game, which was still running.
Lets start out in the very beginning, and i mean, like first sentence almost:
Before I start. a few facts:
1. I'm a junior in high school <-----------True
2. All the players are sophmores save me <--------------True
3. We've been playing on and off since they started high school, so about two years. <------------ False. 3rd item he posts is false. what does that tell about this post? right oh. we have played since the DM was a freshman, we were 8th grade. He likes to hide this point, to display himself as the most mature of the group by far, and downplay how well we grasp AD&D.
4. We've only played 3e. <------- False. 3e was just coming out, but we had started a 2e campaign (note the correct spelling of campaign) when we decided to try it. Most of us were against 3e, as we felt it broke away from the norm too drastically, and was simply put, a dumber game. this shows we already understood the realm of DnD aswell.
5. Our campains so far (not me DMing), are basically hack and slash, with thin plot and crazy antisocial characters. I didnt DM those, and usually my characters were the least... liberal of the lot. <-------You the most liberal? Try the most detrimental, idiotic, and "do your own thing" player. Antisocial? if anything, we were only this because you attempted to display the "ideal" roleplayer, and we knew if we started any such attempt at serious roleplaying you would go psycho, and HAULT the plot entirely for the next 10 minutes, literally.
6. We have never had a campain survive beyond 8th level. <----------- Possibly not a campaign you were in. We hit 13th in that same campaign. You left for another campaign, believing the grass is always greener on the other side, so to say.
So here's the deal. I've been a long time playing, and I've always wanted to DM. I think I'm a pretty creative guy, and I'd make a pretty good DM. <-------- Fine, point taken. Drop it
I can act: I do voices, and facial expressions, and hand movements, and everything when I do NPCs. Its half the fun. <------- Half the fun for you perhaps. Half the retardness for the players. PCs dont appreciate it when u go off for a basic soliloqui playing a freaking druid kobold acting out some irrelevant crap that has nothing to do with the campaign. If you want to be an actor join the drama club, not DnD, ok? kthnxbye
I can write: I write in my spare time, and i think i do an OK job with describing the scene, arching the storyline, etc. <----- Thats dandy. Try to describe and write storylines that the group will enjoy, versus you just enjoying the writing of it. Remember, you are DMing the players, not DMing your own fairy tale land in your head.
I know the rules: I've been playing long enough that I, well, know the rules. <---- You know many. You make more up. Point taken.
I prep: I spent a long time preping for sessions. I have stats for everyone important, names and a feeling of thier power level for everyone who isnt, possible dialog, maps, the whole nine yards. <---- Nifty. Make sure its a game that the PCs and yourself will enjoy before you go the whoel 9 yards.
I can wing it: I'm pretty good at going with the flow, making things up as i go along. <---- Hah
All in all, i think that given the chance i would be a pretty good DM.
----- You may, but you gotta pay your dues.
So finally, the group gives me the chance.
----- Ahh yes, down to the good stuff at last!
They say, "You, you DM this time. We want you to." <---- More like you complain and complain and complain about our previous campaign that we decide to have you campaign to make you freaking shut up.
I say, "Well, sure guys. But I gotta tell you. I like the roleplaying. I like the heroic, epic storyline. I like the valient heros, what with the saving the day, and the getting the girl, and the piles of gold. Are you OK with playing that way: Epic scope, mentally stable characters, working for the good of the world, that whole deal?"
-------- *buzzer noise* WRONG. never, ever, EVER did you utter such words to us as a group. NOT ONCE. you may have decided to have this type of campaign in your mind, but it wasnt told to us, in any form of words such as those. that is a flat out lie.
They say, "Yah, we're getting a little tired of killing goblins and stuff. Dungeon-crawls get boring. And maybe it would be nice to play some normal characters for a change. Epic scope would be good. Yah, sure we agree to be good."
----- No, again. You were tired of it. We werent bored of it, you were, you were ruining our game so we put our game on pause to run yours. No epic scope crap, some DM you are. If you knew ur players remotely you would know we like to play our characters without tons of restrictions. You desiring to DM a party of first rate Paladins isnt what your gonan get. Dream on buddy
And I say, "Give me a week."
--- You say "lets start now" we say "its late, we gotta break up. Your gonna DM next session, k?" You say " Ok" n.b. we have sessions once a week
So, tonight we played. Mind you, I spent about three hours doing "real" prepwork, and all week doing "mental" prepwork.
I show up on time. Everyone except the host (who lives down the street from me) shows up about... an hour late.
-------Hrmmm, so many things to say, and yet, i cant. Well, basically, you have no life so you were there early. Everyone else had things to do, and showed up on time. stop spewing lies already! its not becoming atall.
"So, guys, do you have your heroic characters?"
----- We never stated that we wanted to play heroic pos. thnx
Player T: "Well, yah. I have an elven fighter. He has a bow. He kills evil."
----- Hrmmm, never did this person state he kills evil. he kills stuff most likely
"Well, thats good. I look forward to DMing a hero like that."
----- Nope, never happened. Lie
Player A: "Well, yah, my gnome barbarian is ready. What with his six donkeys loaded up with illicit drugs and BoVD torture equipment."
------- You got a problem with that? Address it before the game.
"Umm... thats not really what I had in mind. Is he... nice to people?"
----- Never happened
Player A: "NOOO! He hates people. He's crazy."
----- Never happened
"Well, maybe the rest of the party will get him to shape up. So, Host, whats your character?"
----- Never happened
Host: "Oh, he's a mage. But he doesnt cast offesnive spells."
---- Sorta happened, he told u he wears full plate, and u listend to us making our characters. never did you address him directly.
"So, a defense mage?"
----- Never happened
Host: "Sort of. He doesnt really like magic. He likes swords. See, he casts shield and obscuring mist, then he dons his full plate and wades into battle. But he's nice to people."
------ You gathered this from us preping. never addressed. you cant just make up stuff to support your side, ok? thats called lying.
"Well, its not what I had in mind, but at least you stuck to the PH. Player K, whats your character?"
Player K: "I dont have one. Can I play a Hengaokai (shapeshifting humans from oriental adventures, his favorite book)"
------ Dont even try this one. He asked to play a 3rd level ranger, 1st level Hengaokai WAY into the session. You basically made people start, before u let this person gen his character. and then the bit about how thats not normal.....AND YET THE FIRST THING WE ENCOUNTER IS A DRUID KOBOLD ARGGHHH alil hypocritic?
"Umm... no. Thats a bit weird. Can we get started?"
---- There you go. besides the fact he asked to play that character after we started, u display your pitiful DMing skillz by denying a player request that greatly affects the game, then rush on, w/o him having a character
And they say "OK!"
So what do they do?
The first NPC is a KOBOLD DRUID, the son of a mage in town. They cant decide whether to truss him, iron maiden him, or just simply cruisfy him, so tehy end up just letting him leave. This encounter was suposed to be a flavor encounter, to introduce a helpful NPC to the characters, and to maybe improve their standings in the town tehy are going to, which distrusts strangers. It should have taken about five minutes. It took forty.
----- Alil extraggeration to support your cause? always good. wait, durr, this is public, you cant spew lies. right. (it took 20)
*******NOTE BENE: our background, which the DM basically set upon us (didnt get to write our own) entailed us being dismissed from the army after a set of brutal wars with goblinoid kinda, which included, killing kobolds. we were hardy warriors, accustomed to killing "evil" races. stop and think, you could be dead. and then the DM expects us to stop and talk with this kobold after we just slaughterd 100 of them to save our lands? righttttttt
So then they get to town. A guard asks "who goes," and their response, well, I cant say it on these boards. It involved illegitamate children, and feces, and nasty things in reference to the location of the towns stables.
----- Maybe have your gaurd not be such a prick. Nothing was stated about feces, illegitamate children, AND ESPECIALLY nothing about the town in its relation to any stables. did we know there were stables? HAH! yah right. You gave a half ass, pitiful discription of the town that left us wondering... "what the?"
They spent the next twenty minutes (real time), belittling the guard, who by this time has called for reinforcements, who they also belittle. That encounter should have a. been a plesant one after the inital hostility of a secluded townguard and b. taken about three minutes. So far, they havent even gotten to a STATTED character yet. Everything I do to try to push them along, only makes them do dumber and dumber things. After everything I said came five minutes of debate over the best way to belittle me, or the NPCs, or the game in general.
----- So far your campaign was a joke. nuff said
What am I to do when they wont take anything seriously? Should I just let them fight the much larger town militia, who would probably outright kill them? Should I just start yelling? What?
----- As you preach "no metagaming" so no, your not allowed to yell. Act in accordance, throw the militia at us. it would at least be fun. do we have to follow your plot, or are we adventurers in your realm? decide
So I left. I packed up my dice and left. "Notify me when you graduate from second grade." I said.
As I was leaving, the host said, "We're willing to give you one more chance, and we promise not to fool around."
----- No begging/whining occured. we stated once if you would like to come back you can, and made sure you didnt slam the door.
THEY want to give ME another chance? Shouldnt it be the other way around?
I just kept walking.
"Grow up," I said.
here i would liek to point a few more things out. THis DM, so to say, is very fickle, always changing his mind, this, that, bored i wanna try something new. its hard to expect what is coming next. this leads to my next point.....
the DM played along, laughed at our jokes, added on to them, had his NPCs "taunt" us on, basically supporting what was happening for a good time, then all of a sudden, say "stop fooling around! did you give the last DM this much grief?" etc etc.
so we had no way to know what he was really feeling. on one side, he was another guy having a fun time with DnD, joking around, fooling with things, laughing out loud at our jokes, etc.
then the next instant, flaming red in the face, pissed to hell. you grow up. learn to deal with real life situations. your the DM, use your powers to make something of the game.
some DM if you ask me. i hope in the light of this information you take a little different look at what really occurred last friday
