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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gamerprinter" data-source="post: 6620677" data-attributes="member: 50895">Of course Pathfinder is likely too d20 for your needs (and probably outside your groups interests, or so its seems), but if you add on some 3PP material from Rite Publishing for Pathfinder, it does hit some of your listed requirements. The entire series of <a href="http://drivethrurpg.com/browse/pub/2373/Rite-Publishing/subcategory/4448_20119/In-the-Company-of-" target="_blank">In the Company of</a>..., most contain racial paragon classes. These are 20 level racial classes as iconic representatives of that race with abilities taken from legend and folklore. For example one is In the Company of Minotaurs, the Rog-Kalen (Scion of the Horn) is the racial paragon of minotaurs. Since the Bestiary minotaur is CR 4, the Rog-Kalen at 4th level is virtually equivalent to the Bestiary version, which means 1st - 3rd, this class is weaker than the normal version, and at 5th - 20th, gains significant powers (balanced to normal classes) such as increases in size, strength, constitution, charging capacity, mastery of mazes, etc.The In the Company of... series covers: dragons, fey, gargoyles, giants, ironborn (construct race), medusa, minotaur, and even Asian monster races like kappa, hengeyokai and tengu. These supplements also offer racially based archetypes for other standard classes of PF, like sorcerers, cavaliers and many others.The Kaidan setting of Japanese horror (PFRPG) my published imprint under Rite Publishing offers Honor and Karma points, which aren't like Fate points, but offers alternative adjustments to PC development.Though it sure sounds like your group is not up to using Pathfinder, I will say, that that could be because you may not have included the use of the many 3PP options (not just what Rite Publishing offers) that alter and enhance the basic Pathfinder game. I think its worth a look at PF 3PP - it might change your mind.In my home PF games, 50% of the rules, subsystems, classes, archetypes, spells, feats and other options are 3PP, and not just Rite Publishing, but we use Dream Scarred Press, Green Ronin, Legendary Games, Louis Porter Jr. Designs, Raging Swan Press, Rogue Genius Games, and many others.</blockquote>

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