Lost 05/09/07

[Banshee16]

My friend and I both noticed the same thing and rewound to double check- there was definitely someone there, but you couldn't see more than part of its shirt and the profile of its hairline. From the hairline, it looked like Ben, but there is no way to know for sure (well, I suppose some really gifted person could screencap it and lighten it, and that might do something).

What if.....what if the island has something to do with psychic projection....like how Walt had the ability to manifest stuff?

What if Jacob is simply a manifestation of Ben's mind/subconscious or whatever? That could explain why he was invisible. Ben gets a certain amount of control over the Others by being the moutpiece of Jacob. What if Ben simply learned to manifest using the island's power, and Jacob is simply a form of his desire to control what's around him....hence this invisible friend with poltergeist-like abilities, who nobody else can see.

Banshee

 

[Welverin]

which is also the sand-like stuff they went over on their way there.

My first thought upon seeing that was of salt lines for keeping out/in hungry ghosts in Exalted. Jacob's apparitional nature only strengthens the connection in my mind.

I find it's becoming more and more clear that Ben hates Locke for (potentially) being what he's claimed/pretended to be for so long.

 

[Fast Learner]

Anyone have Tivo, who can provide a screen capture of Jacob or that eye?

Just look earlier in the thread, I posted links (and attached a picture).

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

Hrmm…. How did Locke learn about Jacob?

Ben breaks one of the Evil Overlord rules by telling Locke this before shooting him, however; that may come back to haunt him later.

Given Benry’s cruelty, bloody mindedness, capacity for lying and desire to keep people on the island, I think he sent Michael and Walt to their deaths. That is – in story, rather than out-of-story – why we’ve not seen them again and never will. Out of story it has to do with the actors, in story they are dead and possibly eaten by Dharma Brand Sharks.

The Others/Hostiles continue to prove to me that they are entirely evil (and annoying), and must be eradicated.

I wasn’t clear on why the Others and the Initiative were so automatically diametrically opposed. That the Dharma people built and worked on the island is not quite enough reason for me to explain or justify a blood feud leading to mass murder.

And despite all the proverbial hand waving and mumbo jumbo, my theorizes and observations still stand. The Others are simply a sad and dangerous cult of personality surrounding Benry. He and they all are not currently doing good or righteous work, they are merely jerking people around and playing with lives like they are games, all for the sake of just doing it. There are pressing problems and issues that need to be dealt with and the like, but the Others are not actually grappling with any of that.

I noticed that Richard Alpert seemed pretty close in age then-and-now…

I feel a bit vindicated – I did say that Richard was going behind Benry’s back in giving Locke the file on Sawyer and that Benry’s control was never absolute and was further slipping. Ha!

…I will be very disappointed if he kicks the bucket, as I find him integral to the show.

It seems unlikely that Locke is dead. As for the pile of bodies, I wonder if they are related to the two bodies discovered in the caves back in the first season. Were “Adam and Eve” Dharma people?

The homage to Stephen King/Peter Straub's Black House was awesome.

What was the homage to Bleak House?

 

[Welverin]

Hrmm…. How did Locke learn about Jacob?

He didn't, he asked Ben for answers and Ben said Jacob was the man who could give them to him, not that it was quite so straight forward.

Given Benry’s cruelty, bloody mindedness, capacity for lying and desire to keep people on the island, I think he sent Michael and Walt to their deaths. That is – in story, rather than out-of-story – why we’ve not seen them again and never will.

You shouldn't assume so much. [SBLOCK]I read something a while back where one of the EP's said that Michael and Wilt will be back on the show at some point.[/SBLOCK]

I wasn’t clear on why the Others and the Initiative were so automatically diametrically opposed.

No such thing was stated or established in anyway, all we got were some events from Ben's perspective, how it got that way is yet to be defined. So your lack of clarity is not at all odd.

It seems unlikely that Locke is dead. As for the pile of bodies, I wonder if they are related to the two bodies discovered in the caves back in the first season. Were “Adam and Eve” Dharma people?

We'll find out about that by the time the show ends, they were placed so people knew that the creators didn't make everything up as they went along, and did in fact have things planned out from the beginning.

 

[Taelorn76]

I kind of see Dennis Hopper in the image:

You know I see that as well.

 

[Taelorn76]

Some weird stuff:
What the heck did the Hostiles use to gas the Dharma people? Extremely virulent stuff, apparently. It also looks like the Hostiles are technologically advanced - gas masks, chemical weapons, and ways to get off the island (it was that original Hostile guy who was in the U.S. recruiting Juliet all those years later...).
Neat.

I think they just took over th Dharma''s village and used the sub Dharma had to go back to the main land. I have a feeling corporate offices may not know that the hostiles took over.

 

[Silver Moon]

And Ben has somehow apparently conned Dharma into thinking the project is ongoing, because they are still getting food drops, power, and have connections on the mainland...

No, only the station that had the giant electromagnet where Dharma folks hit the button every 108 minutes.

 

[Mark CMG]

If you dig a hole to put bodies in, why not fill it back in when you are done?

 

[Cthulhudrew]

If you dig a hole to put bodies in, why not fill it back in when you are done?

Because you never know when you might need to dump more bodies in it?