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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neil the Knight" data-source="post: 6999359" data-attributes="member: 6801269">FGG's mission statement is "5th edition rules. First eddition feel". Not that this book is 5e but you get the picture.I mentioned in one of my earlier posts that one of the books suggestions is to have Devron in possession of the Book of  Korbus. This would mean that when the characters put on the Ring of Rajick it would compel at least one of them through its Geas function to go face Devron and get the book back.Your right I kinda over looked the keys to even get down to the portal. I suppose then either I can put him in possession of one of the keys. Possibly the one that belongs to the mummy on lv 2 and have a show down with him on the bridge that spans the chasm just outside where the mummy is meant to be. Or have him jump the party once they've collected all three, gone down into the secret passage back up on the 1st lv and retrieved the master key to acsess the 5th lv, Devrons Prison.If I have him steal the master key when he ambushes them, then I can still run the final encounter I had planned around the Stone of  Madness.I probobly won't fiddle around with these details cause it doesn't particularly lend itself to a climactic end with AsgarothThe doppelganger is undeadThe only problem with this is the Doppelganger reverts back into his true form when slain so once the encounter was over the party would figure it out pritty quickly.  But i do like the idea better than whats in the book. This would mitigates the need for large amounts of RP to try and get the party to believe the Doppelganger.You could just change his spell list. The guy has had thousands of years to plan his escape. I'm sure he could of taught himself a couple spells. Personally I'm splitting the difference between his spells available to him in LCoB and those in MM.Though I am not a fan of it, if I do stick with "the elf gambit" as you put it, do you have any advice on how to successfully run a Charm Person or Suggestion spell on a player without the whole party knowing.Your right it is totally stupid for the guy to have the only thing that can actually wipe him from existence on his person. I will be playing with an experienced group of guys who will know about the phylactery so I will probobly try to incorporate it into the final phase of the battle with Devron. Possibly have it in a separate chamber protected by some sort of ward that manifests it self in the shape of Devrons head. (Cause what Boss fight is complete without fighting a floating head) possibly some kinda reskinned BeholderI like the imagery of this but I would guess he would be imune to the stone of Madness seeing as he created it. But most Beings live or undead are bound to go mad after being imprisoned for thousands of years.I also like your succubus idea. Do you have any suggestions on good ways to run the Geas from the Ring of Rajick</blockquote>

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