Lost: Season Premier. Tonight

[Reynard]

I don't see that as irrational at all. Jack, Kate, and Sawyer all know that the Others are lying, child-abducting murderers. Why would Jack expect truth and kindess from them? Sitting back and doing nothing as a captive of lying, child-abducting murderers would be alot more irrational here.

Word. There'a also the issue that they have been drugged and starved and kept in clausterphobic conditions. Hardly "kind".

 

[Demmero]

No they are on the same island. When Benry ( for you Celt ) sent Goodwin and Ethan out to the crash sites they mentioned something about getting there in an hour. Also remember when Anna Lucia called out Goodwin she stated that he came out of the jungle dry

Still not convinced; if anything, I think your example helps out my theory. I still think the crash looked like it happened a decent distance away from the Others' commune. And how long did it take Sawyer, Jin, Michael and the Tailies to walk back to the Losties' camp? A lot more than an hour. And with the island's hilly terrain, I think it'd take a lot more than an hour for Ethan and Goodwin to reach opposite sides of the island.

It seems more likely (to me anyways) that the Others hopped in boats and dropped off their infiltrators close to each crash site.

Oh, and I forgot to mention another tidbit that makes me think the Others are on a different island nearby--the previews for coming shows showed Henry Gale making a big deal about the Losties having found a boat of their own. If the Others are on thier own island, they're pretty safe from the Losties...unless the Losties get their own boat or start building rafts.

The whole quarantine issue also makes me think that maybe the Dharma folk abandoned the Losties' island and set up shop somewhere else close by. Just guessing, of course

 

[Brown Jenkin]

It is the same island. Durring the opening they pulled the camera out showing first the village and then the village in a clearing and finally a good chunk of the island with one of the crash sites being just over some hills and around the corner on the beach from the valley with the village. It is definitelty one island.

 

[Taelorn76]

Still not convinced; if anything, I think your example helps out my theory. I still think the crash looked like it happened a decent distance away from the Others' commune. And how long did it take Sawyer, Jin, Michael and the Tailies to walk back to the Losties' camp? A lot more than an hour. And with the island's hilly terrain, I think it'd take a lot more than an hour for Ethan and Goodwin to reach opposite sides of the island.

It seems more likely (to me anyways) that the Others hopped in boats and dropped off their infiltrators close to each crash site.[\QUOTE]

Besides the point that Jenkin posted above. Sawyer, Jin, and Michael as well as the other tail survivors were not coming from the Others camp. They were coming from a bunker the Tail survivors found. Also when Benry sent them out Goodwin and Ethan were the only two that took off running.

Oh, and I forgot to mention another tidbit that makes me think the Others are on a different island nearby--the previews for coming shows showed Henry Gale making a big deal about the Losties having found a boat of their own. If the Others are on thier own island, they're pretty safe from the Losties...unless the Losties get their own boat or start building rafts.

I would say that the other just don't want people escaping the island and telling the world about their existance there. Benry is crazy enough that he does not want ot risk anything that will disrupt his little happy life. I think they are so far out that there is no way that Michael will find any help. And if Michael does follow those coordinates it will likely him to a Dharma facility where he will be a prisoner. Though we all know what is really going to happen. He will feel guilty and return to the island.

The whole quarantine issue also makes me think that maybe the Dharma folk abandoned the Losties' island and set up shop somewhere else close by. Just guessing, of course

The quarantine was on the inside of the hatch meaning the outside world was infected. And we know that is not true due the past two seasons.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Word. There'a also the issue that they have been drugged and starved and kept in clausterphobic conditions. Hardly "kind".

Just playing devil's advocate:
..Drugged could be inculated.
..I did not see starved, I saw all three have food offered. Sure Sawyer went for the fish biscuit but then I thought Zeke was surprised he did.
..Clausterphobic? Sorry, those cells were way beyond 6x6 in size.
..Both groups have killed and the Lostaways were doing the whole lord of the fly thing, in fighting, torturing their own, etc.
..Kid Napping. Or protective custody from the sick and the lord of the flys?

Yes, I don't trust them, nor do I feel they are nice people but things are not what they seem.

I am rather sure it is the same island but the village looks to be in a protected valley, only may have tunnels and a waterway to get to it, say, cone of a volcano. Think back to the food drop and no sound or lights from a plane, mmmmm.

 

[Demmero]

I would say that the other just don't want people escaping the island and telling the world about their existance there. Benry is crazy enough that he does not want ot risk anything that will disrupt his little happy life. I think they are so far out that there is no way that Michael will find any help. And if Michael does follow those coordinates it will likely him to a Dharma facility where he will be a prisoner. Though we all know what is really going to happen. He will feel guilty and return to the island.

How do you explain Desmond's inability to escape the island? He was in a race around the world...apparently a superb sailor...and yet he couldn't escape. And I'm pretty sure that Benry said something to Michael that escape from the island by boat was next to impossible.

Nah, I'm still convinced that there's something in the ocean nearby that the Dharma folks don't want the Losties to find. (And remember Rousseau's cables running out into the water.)

The quarantine was on the inside of the hatch meaning the outside world was infected. And we know that is not true due the past two seasons.

Maybe it was. Maybe it still is. I wish I hadn't been nice and lent my season 1 DVDs to one of my sister's friends...anyone recall how long it took Rousseau's companions to 'get sick?' And if the clues are to be believed, Rousseau's been living alone on the island for at least 16 years...and the orientation movie was made around 1980 or so, meaning that the original 'incident' occurred some time previously. Depending upon the nature of the 'infection,' isn't it possible or even likely that the island's frequent heavy downpours might've washed away whatever the infection might've been?

 

[ThirdWizard]

I would guess, just how irrational the Lostaways are being. Okay, here you are in the place where the answers are, you are not being hurt really, people are being nice other than holding you, you can sit back and learn. You don't have to do a thing and just listen and wait but what happens? Jack is off his rocker, Sawyer runs amock and Kate does what?

Jack is being amazingly rational. He's being psychologically tortured, ala "There are FOUR lights!" Stop pulling the chain and she'll tell you about your friend. Sit in the corner and be good and she'll give you your food. It's conditioning. At first the requests sound reasonable, but that's only to break down your defenses. Then he tries to escape from his confinement by taking a hostage. He doesn't trust the Others and opens the door. Everything he did was perfectly reaonable.

Sawyer tries to escape. Now, maybe he shouldn't have trusted the other escapee and run a different way than told, but all that happened pretty quickly. He took off. A sane person would have sat in the cell and tried to James Bond his way out by seducing Julette and then pulling a Rambo? I don't think so. A sane person would run the heck away and try to get help!

Kate probably should have resisted more, but that would be less in character for her than other characters. She didn't get nearly as much screen time as the others. She took a shower, put on the dress instead of wearing the towel (leaving the clothes was a mistake in hindsight, but that's 20/20). It does, however, look like she didn't eat the breakfast she was offered in some defiance since she at the fish biscuit. Then she was thrown behind bars.

I'm not sure what you expect exactly.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

It is interesting how many people seem to closely associate being moral and sane with acting like a sheep. That somehow resisting captors who go out of their way to be mysterious, trying to escape, refusing to be passive while one is abused and used, trying to fix bad situations and control your life all somehow become immortal and irrational in the eyes of many.

Me, I would have told Tom to go f*** himself, field tackled Juliet before she shot me with the taser and tried to make it out the door Benry used. I would see that they are going to try to brainwash/condition me into being another of Benry's minions and I would not cooperate any of the Others in the sad and sorry cult or personality.

The Others have tried to use the Lostaways like a herd of sheep, picking off members when it suits them. This works for the Others but is a poor life for the Lostaways.

 

[TogaMario]

I loved the episode last night Lost never fails to impress with well written character backgrounds and the ever-elusive main plot. I think the Others are trying to break those characters spirits of bad habits or undesirable traits, possibly for inception into the Other - utopia. Maybe at their core, they have traits that the others need in their society, like a doctor, a conman (much like Ethan and Goodwin, who were able to lie well) and someone quite capable of murder if it suits her (and possibly a Fenry object of affection since he doesn't seem to be on good terms with Juliet).

Also, the kid in the other cage was probably put their by the others to help Sawyer escape, and get him caught / show him that they're gonna hurt whoever helps him escape. Now freckles is in the cage across the way, and if she gives him a chance to escape, will he think twice about it?

 

[TwistedBishop]

The book appeared to be one of King's thin books. I would guess that the book is Carrie since most of his books are pretty thick.

The book was indeed Carrie. You can see the title if you freeze-frame when the rumbling starts to hit.