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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldern Foxglove" data-source="post: 5400325" data-attributes="member: 97308">[sblock=OOC]Ah, well that makes me much happier, but I really think rolls should be included in the thread. It honestly did not occur to me that you might have rolled elsewhere for some reason.  But why bother putting attacks rolls in for DMs if we all trust them so much? sorry I prefer to see them and personally I'd like to explicitly state that all rolls should be made where they are visible - excluding those such as sense motive and bluff, occasionally perception, which might reveal something the PCs ought not know.  I think doing so neatly avoids a number of issues and then we don't have to trust DMs - the amount of DMs who admit they fudge, or flat out make up results to suit them always astounds me when it comes up on forums, etc.And I am a little troubled by your use of the rules, because you are not following them as written - hence my confusion.  By my reading we make a chase check - which Aressa has +4 on - and then factor in obstacles.  So Aressa would fall one more increment behind for failing her climb, but might make up ground via the chase check.The others being further behind should have lower dcs as they can avoid the obstacles.  Now I can see why you would exchange these for other checks in this case, but I think choosing an uncommon knowledge skill and a dc 20 perception seems a bit much, especially when you consider that you are talking about treacherous roof tops with damaged tiles, etc., by definition.Now knowing the Tengu did roll has eased most of my worries, but I'd really prefer to use the rules as written.  Anyway, that's the last I'll say I'll be fine if you want to continue as is just expressing my opinion - why is it so hard not to sound like a douche when doing that? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />[/sblock]</blockquote>

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