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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldern Foxglove" data-source="post: 5413607" data-attributes="member: 97308">Bareen stares at Brân for a long moment, "I wish I could heed you my Tengu friend, but I am too far gone.  I could never redeem myself, I have done too much now, and I would pay, just not bound to that accursed Hound.  No, the best thing for everyone, my self included would be for you to be victorious over both me and the Hound.  But that is a fantasy."He turns to Borric,Warrior, a non silver weapon will likely bite if wielded with enough vigor.  Master Secalli might well take your suggestion to heart if he has the courage, would that I had done so before I lost my loved ones.Please, torment this old wretch no further.  Let us get this over with.  Men on three, let us settle this matter.  One, two...three!""Gods that was borrin' so we can stab folks now then can we old timer?"  The lean man says irreverently, "you lot near talked me inta me grave, but I ain't so fancy with the words so I'll try to repay the favor the old fashioned way."[ooc]Roll Init![/ooc][sblock=Rollplay and RolePlay]In point of fact perrinmiller I'm fairly sure they don't <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />.  By your logic we should throw away the diplomacy skill entirely.  The charisma 6 dwarf's articulate speech should simply move all with its eloquence.Not every character you play is persuasive, you will always be able to muster basically the same level of personal skill.What I do do is modify the results of diplomacy checks by the eloquence of the players efforts - so long as they are not blatantly breaking character, which for the record I am certainly not implying has been the case with anyone in this game.  By the reasonableness of their suggestions, etc.  If they roll without saying anything that's an auto fail - though I'd warn the player first.It would be very wrong in my opinion if the same speech from Borric and Bran was received in the same way.  Bran has literally double Borric's charisma and a diplomacy score that is 8 higher.  Imagine you know neither Barrak Obama or Richard Nixon (John Major might be better if you are aware of him, blandest man alive former English PM) and they attempted to convince you with precisely the same argument, one delivered with rich passionate eloquence, one delivered in a monotone lifeless drone.  might be being a tad unfair to Nixon there, he did afterall win the debate with Kennedy on the radio, but hopefully you get the idea.In this case this was planned as a combat encounter and would have required an exceeding high diplomacy check in order to overcome without violence.  You would also have lost some fats loots!  To be colloquial.[/sblock]<img src="http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/TensersImp/BuyersRemorseMap3b.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

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