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<blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 6234845" data-attributes="member: 75065"><p>[sblock=OOC] Summoner does not benefit from Shield Ally when eidolon is grappled. If I understand right when you grapple you are also considered grappled. So Prone AC of Summoner is 12. </p><p></p><p>Both Maui and Taniwha have Scent ability and can pinpoint the Summoner as he is within 5ft. So how does this interact with the 50% miss chance? </p><p></p><p><strong>"<span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'">The ability to move about unseen is not foolproof. While they can't be seen, invisible creatures can be heard, smelled, or felt."</span></strong><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span>After all the descriptions of how attacking invisible creatures works it then states (in the area where there are exceptions to the main rule): </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'">"A creature with the </span><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Scent" target="_blank">scent</a><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"> ability can detect an invisible creature as it would a visible one."</span></strong><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span>Also: Maui's HP total seems incorrect on DM combat stats. I am not sure where the AC 21 is coming from unless you are considering that Maui's spells have not worn off yet and he still has Mage Armour and Barkskin? If so I think I have confused the amount of time that has passed. </p><p></p><p>In any case Maui had healed to full before this combat so he was on 67 MAX HPs. Bite dealt 20 dmg taking him to 47 HPs. If his spells have worn off in Tiger form his AC is 16, so claw also hit for another 13 dmg taking him to 34 HPs. If he still has mage armour and Barkskin then the claw did miss and he remains on 47 HPs.<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'trebuchet ms'"></span></span> [/sblock]</p><p></p><p>Ignoring the talking dog and it's savage hold on him Maui goes wild snapping and clawing at the ground where the summoner has dropped. Despite being unable to see him, Maui's sensitive nose lets him know exactly where he is. The sickly crunch of torn flesh and snapped bone indicates that Maui has found the invisible gnome and begun tearing him to shreds.</p><p></p><p>If he remains alive:</p><p></p><p>Likewise Taniwha follows suit, unleashing another flurry of wild attacks at the invisible gnome whose bloody scent is still fresh in his mouth. </p><p></p><p>If he is dead:</p><p></p><p>Taniwha tries to rip into the talking dog that has master in a death hold but the creature is much too slippery.</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Actions] Maui full attack vs prone Gnome with Power Attack: <a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337820/" target="_blank">Bite: 29=Potential Crit for 19 dmg; Claw: 23=Hit for 18 dmg; Claw 12=Hit for 16 dmg </a> Crit confirm= <a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337821/" target="_blank">Crit Crit: 30</a> for <a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337822/" target="_blank">18 dmg</a> </p><p>Forgot to Add +1 dmg for Dirty fighter to all three dmg rolls (multiplied by crit as well?): +3 (or +4 ?) dmg</p><p></p><p>Rolling for concealment in case it is ruled scent does not negate: </p><p>Under 50% = MISS</p><p>Bite: 76% Hit!!!!: Critical Hit with Dirty Fighter dmg bonus= 18+18+2 dmg = 38 dmg</p><p>Claw: 96% Hit!: 18 + 1 dmg = 19 dmg</p><p>Claw: 56% Hit!: 16 + 1 dmg = 17 dmg</p><p>All three attacks hit: <a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337825/" target="_blank">Rolls</a></p><p>Total Damage to gnome: 74 dmg</p><p></p><p>With Taniwha's Bite ( 7 dmg (not 6 as he gets +1 from Magic Fang) and Tasanto's Hammer (10 dmg) Gnome has taken 91 dmg. I think he must be dead.</p><p></p><p>If he is dead Taniwha attacks the eidolon instead. If he remains alive Taniwha will attack summoner as well.</p><p></p><p>If vs gnome:<a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337836/" target="_blank"> Power Attack Bite 15 vs AC=Hit for 10 dmg; Claw 15= Hit vs AC for 12 dmg; Claw 22 vs AC for 12 dmg</a> (Sorry put Maui as character but these rolls are for Taniwha)</p><p></p><p>If scent negates concealment: 34 dmg total</p><p></p><p>vs 50% concealment:</p><p>Bite: 21 = Miss</p><p>Claw: 5 = Miss</p><p>Claw 16 = Miss</p><p>If concealment applies: All 3 attacks miss: <a href="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337839/" target="_blank">Rolls</a> </p><p></p><p>If vs Eidolon: All 3 attacks miss [/sblock]</p><p></p><p><a href="http://beta.ditzie.com/46498/52b259ca88ec4" target="_blank">Updated Map</a></p><p></p><p>[sblock=Lvl 7 Stats]</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">[</span><a href="http://livingpf.wikia.com/wiki/Maui_(jbear1979" target="_blank">http://livingpf.wikia.com/wiki/Maui_(jbear1979</a><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">) Maui]</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Initiative: +2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC: 20 (Touch 13; FFt 18)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP: 67 Current: 34</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">CMB: +10 CMD: 22 Fort: +6 Reflex: +5 Will: +8</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Conditions: Dire Tiger form</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In Hand: </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Cold Iron MW Scimitar: +10; 1d6+6 (Crit 18-20:x2) </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">and Heavy Shield</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Spells: Orisons: Detect Magic, Guidance, Know Direction, Detect Poison</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">1st: CLW 0/2; 2/3 Summon Nature's Ally</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">2nd: Bull's Strength: used, Bark Skin: Used, </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Resist Energy 0</span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">/2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">3rd: Mad Monkeys, Greater Magic Fang: Used, Resist Energy, Communal: Used</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>4th: Summon Nature Ally IV</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wild Shape: 0/3 uses left per day</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p>[sblock=Leopard Shape]</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Medium animal; Senses: low-light vision, scent; </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC 15 , touch 15 , flat-footed 12 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Speed 30 ft., climb 20 ft.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Melee:Bite +11; 1d8+6; 2 Claws: +11; 1d4 +6 dmg</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>[ATTACH]57927[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/sblock]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p>[sblock=Lizard Bird Shape]</p><p>Deinonychus</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Medium animal; Senses: low-light vision, scent; </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC 15 , touch 15 , flat-footed 12 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Speed 60 ft.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Melee:Bite +11; 1d6+6; 2 Talons: +11; 1d8+6 dmg; Foreclaws: +5; 1d4+3</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>[ATTACH]57928[/ATTACH]</p><p>[/sblock]</p><p></p><p>[sblock=Dire Tiger Shape II]</p><p>Dire Tiger</p><p>Large Animal<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">; Senses: low-light vision, scent; </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC 16 , touch 14 , flat-footed 14 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Speed 40 ft.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Melee:Bite +12; 2d6+7 (+Grab); 2 Claws: +12 ; 2d4+7 dmg (+Grab)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><a href="http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6753809_f520.jpg" target="_blank">http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6753809_f520.jpg</a></p><p>[/sblock]</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wand of CLW Uses: 10/16</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>Communal Wand of CLW 50/50</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wand of Magic Fang: 46/50</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wand of Speak with Animals: 48/50</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>Wand of Mage Armor: 48/50</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Potions: CLW 2/2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Flasks: Holy Water 2/2</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sling Bullets: 19/20</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Taniwha</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Initiative: +7</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">AC: 22 </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">HP: 50 Current: 50</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">CMB: Trip/Disarm +10 (+11) CMD: 25 (29 vs Trip) Fort: +7 Reflex: +11 Will: +3</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Conditions: Greater Magic Fang (6hrs); </span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bite: +10 (+11) ; 1d6+4 (+5) dmg; special: Trip</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">2x Claws: +10 (+11); 1d3+4 (+5) dmg </span></p><p>[/sblock]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jbear, post: 6234845, member: 75065"] [sblock=OOC] Summoner does not benefit from Shield Ally when eidolon is grappled. If I understand right when you grapple you are also considered grappled. So Prone AC of Summoner is 12. Both Maui and Taniwha have Scent ability and can pinpoint the Summoner as he is within 5ft. So how does this interact with the 50% miss chance? [B]"[FONT=trebuchet ms]The ability to move about unseen is not foolproof. While they can't be seen, invisible creatures can be heard, smelled, or felt."[/FONT][/B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms] [/FONT][/COLOR]After all the descriptions of how attacking invisible creatures works it then states (in the area where there are exceptions to the main rule): [B][FONT=trebuchet ms]"A creature with the [/FONT][URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/special-abilities#TOC-Scent"]scent[/URL][FONT=trebuchet ms] ability can detect an invisible creature as it would a visible one."[/FONT][/B][COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms] [/FONT][/COLOR]Also: Maui's HP total seems incorrect on DM combat stats. I am not sure where the AC 21 is coming from unless you are considering that Maui's spells have not worn off yet and he still has Mage Armour and Barkskin? If so I think I have confused the amount of time that has passed. In any case Maui had healed to full before this combat so he was on 67 MAX HPs. Bite dealt 20 dmg taking him to 47 HPs. If his spells have worn off in Tiger form his AC is 16, so claw also hit for another 13 dmg taking him to 34 HPs. If he still has mage armour and Barkskin then the claw did miss and he remains on 47 HPs.[COLOR=#000000][FONT=trebuchet ms] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/sblock] Ignoring the talking dog and it's savage hold on him Maui goes wild snapping and clawing at the ground where the summoner has dropped. Despite being unable to see him, Maui's sensitive nose lets him know exactly where he is. The sickly crunch of torn flesh and snapped bone indicates that Maui has found the invisible gnome and begun tearing him to shreds. If he remains alive: Likewise Taniwha follows suit, unleashing another flurry of wild attacks at the invisible gnome whose bloody scent is still fresh in his mouth. If he is dead: Taniwha tries to rip into the talking dog that has master in a death hold but the creature is much too slippery. [sblock=Actions] Maui full attack vs prone Gnome with Power Attack: [URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337820/"]Bite: 29=Potential Crit for 19 dmg; Claw: 23=Hit for 18 dmg; Claw 12=Hit for 16 dmg [/URL] Crit confirm= [URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337821/"]Crit Crit: 30[/URL] for [URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337822/"]18 dmg[/URL] Forgot to Add +1 dmg for Dirty fighter to all three dmg rolls (multiplied by crit as well?): +3 (or +4 ?) dmg Rolling for concealment in case it is ruled scent does not negate: Under 50% = MISS Bite: 76% Hit!!!!: Critical Hit with Dirty Fighter dmg bonus= 18+18+2 dmg = 38 dmg Claw: 96% Hit!: 18 + 1 dmg = 19 dmg Claw: 56% Hit!: 16 + 1 dmg = 17 dmg All three attacks hit: [URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337825/"]Rolls[/URL] Total Damage to gnome: 74 dmg With Taniwha's Bite ( 7 dmg (not 6 as he gets +1 from Magic Fang) and Tasanto's Hammer (10 dmg) Gnome has taken 91 dmg. I think he must be dead. If he is dead Taniwha attacks the eidolon instead. If he remains alive Taniwha will attack summoner as well. If vs gnome:[URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337836/"] Power Attack Bite 15 vs AC=Hit for 10 dmg; Claw 15= Hit vs AC for 12 dmg; Claw 22 vs AC for 12 dmg[/URL] (Sorry put Maui as character but these rolls are for Taniwha) If scent negates concealment: 34 dmg total vs 50% concealment: Bite: 21 = Miss Claw: 5 = Miss Claw 16 = Miss If concealment applies: All 3 attacks miss: [URL="http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4337839/"]Rolls[/URL] If vs Eidolon: All 3 attacks miss [/sblock] [URL="http://beta.ditzie.com/46498/52b259ca88ec4"]Updated Map[/URL] [sblock=Lvl 7 Stats] [FONT=Verdana][[/FONT][URL]http://livingpf.wikia.com/wiki/Maui_(jbear1979[/URL][FONT=Verdana]) Maui][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Initiative: +2[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]AC: 20 (Touch 13; FFt 18)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]HP: 67 Current: 34[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]CMB: +10 CMD: 22 Fort: +6 Reflex: +5 Will: +8[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Conditions: Dire Tiger form[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]In Hand: [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Cold Iron MW Scimitar: +10; 1d6+6 (Crit 18-20:x2) [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]and Heavy Shield[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Spells: Orisons: Detect Magic, Guidance, Know Direction, Detect Poison[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]1st: CLW 0/2; 2/3 Summon Nature's Ally[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]2nd: Bull's Strength: used, Bark Skin: Used, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Resist Energy 0[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]/2[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]3rd: Mad Monkeys, Greater Magic Fang: Used, Resist Energy, Communal: Used [/FONT]4th: Summon Nature Ally IV [FONT=Verdana]Wild Shape: 0/3 uses left per day [/FONT] [sblock=Leopard Shape] [FONT=Verdana]Medium animal; Senses: low-light vision, scent; [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]AC 15 , touch 15 , flat-footed 12 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Speed 30 ft., climb 20 ft.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Melee:Bite +11; 1d8+6; 2 Claws: +11; 1d4 +6 dmg [/FONT][ATTACH=CONFIG]57927[/ATTACH] [/sblock][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [sblock=Lizard Bird Shape] Deinonychus [FONT=Verdana]Medium animal; Senses: low-light vision, scent; [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]AC 15 , touch 15 , flat-footed 12 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Speed 60 ft.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Melee:Bite +11; 1d6+6; 2 Talons: +11; 1d8+6 dmg; Foreclaws: +5; 1d4+3 [/FONT][ATTACH=CONFIG]57928[/ATTACH] [/sblock] [sblock=Dire Tiger Shape II] Dire Tiger Large Animal[FONT=Verdana]; Senses: low-light vision, scent; [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]AC 16 , touch 14 , flat-footed 14 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Speed 40 ft.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Melee:Bite +12; 2d6+7 (+Grab); 2 Claws: +12 ; 2d4+7 dmg (+Grab) [/FONT][URL]http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6753809_f520.jpg[/URL] [/sblock] [FONT=Verdana]Wand of CLW Uses: 10/16 [/FONT]Communal Wand of CLW 50/50 [FONT=Verdana]Wand of Magic Fang: 46/50[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Wand of Speak with Animals: 48/50 [/FONT]Wand of Mage Armor: 48/50 [FONT=Verdana]Potions: CLW 2/2[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Flasks: Holy Water 2/2[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Sling Bullets: 19/20[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Taniwha[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Initiative: +7[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]AC: 22 [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]HP: 50 Current: 50[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]CMB: Trip/Disarm +10 (+11) CMD: 25 (29 vs Trip) Fort: +7 Reflex: +11 Will: +3[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Conditions: Greater Magic Fang (6hrs); [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Bite: +10 (+11) ; 1d6+4 (+5) dmg; special: Trip[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]2x Claws: +10 (+11); 1d3+4 (+5) dmg [/FONT] [/sblock] [/QUOTE]
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