Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Lycanthropes in the MM
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 9577012" data-attributes="member: 54629"><p>Hi all,</p><p></p><p>The new MM has unlocked for me on D&D Beyond, so I've been looking through it. I thought lycanthropes might warrant their own thread.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/mm/hAxSwXnO1TSUruhZ/23-004.were-creature-group.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="850x2106" style="width: 398px" /></p><p>Art by Slawomir Maniak.</p><p></p><p>I was expecting them to get the regeneration trait that late-stage OG 5e lycanthropes have had, but no! They've got nothing!</p><p></p><p>Firstly, there is no lycanthropes section, and no sidebar on how to handle PCs as lycanthropes. The individual monsters are listed alphabetically in the book, and since they all start with "were-", they are all together in one place.</p><p></p><p>Let's use the Werebear as an example:</p><p></p><p><strong>WEREBEAR</strong></p><p>It now has a flat AC of 15 but still has the same HP (135). It has lost its damage immunities but has gained darkvision. Its ability scores are the same as before. Its Perception is still +7, but it has lost its Keen Smell trait. It's still a CR 5 creature. It's Shapechanger trait has changed into the Shape-Shift bonus action but is functionally the same (although the Shape-Shift action doesn't specify that the creature reverts to its true form when it dies).</p><p></p><p>As for its attacks, the 2024 werebear can still make two attacks - handaxes or rend in any combo depending on what form they are in. They can replace one of these attacks with a bite attack. The attacks are all still +7 to hit, but they all do a little bit more damage (e.g. 17 for the bite instead of 15).</p><p></p><p>The bite attack still imposes a DC 14 Con save vs being cursed. In the 2024 version, the curse doesn't kick in until the target drops to 0 hp, at which point it becomes <em>"a Werebear under the DM’s control and has 10 Hit Points."</em></p><p></p><p>EDIT: Here's the flavor text for the werebear: <em>"When threatened or compelled by magic, werebears shape-shift from their humanoid forms into mighty bears or hybrids of those two forms. They scare off or sabotage those who threaten the wilds, and they frequently aid Fey, druids, or spirits of the wilderness, as many owe their magical nature to such forces. Werebears take the shape of bears common to the regions in which they dwell, with brown and polar bear forms being common."</em></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577147" target="_blank">WEREBOAR</a></p><p><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577177" target="_blank">WERERAT</a></p><p><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577207" target="_blank">WERETIGER</a></p><p><a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577216" target="_blank">WEREWOLF</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do you think of this new approach? Personally, I would have liked <em>something </em>that is a nod to the classic silver vulnerability. That being said, WotC did remove the silvering of weapons from the new PHB, so I guess they really don't want that to be a thing anymore. (EDIT: I see that silvered weapons are now a common magic item in the new DMG that deals extra damage to shape-shifters on a crit.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pukunui, post: 9577012, member: 54629"] Hi all, The new MM has unlocked for me on D&D Beyond, so I've been looking through it. I thought lycanthropes might warrant their own thread. [IMG width="398px" size="850x2106"]https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/mm/hAxSwXnO1TSUruhZ/23-004.were-creature-group.png[/IMG] Art by Slawomir Maniak. I was expecting them to get the regeneration trait that late-stage OG 5e lycanthropes have had, but no! They've got nothing! Firstly, there is no lycanthropes section, and no sidebar on how to handle PCs as lycanthropes. The individual monsters are listed alphabetically in the book, and since they all start with "were-", they are all together in one place. Let's use the Werebear as an example: [B]WEREBEAR[/B] It now has a flat AC of 15 but still has the same HP (135). It has lost its damage immunities but has gained darkvision. Its ability scores are the same as before. Its Perception is still +7, but it has lost its Keen Smell trait. It's still a CR 5 creature. It's Shapechanger trait has changed into the Shape-Shift bonus action but is functionally the same (although the Shape-Shift action doesn't specify that the creature reverts to its true form when it dies). As for its attacks, the 2024 werebear can still make two attacks - handaxes or rend in any combo depending on what form they are in. They can replace one of these attacks with a bite attack. The attacks are all still +7 to hit, but they all do a little bit more damage (e.g. 17 for the bite instead of 15). The bite attack still imposes a DC 14 Con save vs being cursed. In the 2024 version, the curse doesn't kick in until the target drops to 0 hp, at which point it becomes [I]"a Werebear under the DM’s control and has 10 Hit Points."[/I] EDIT: Here's the flavor text for the werebear: [I]"When threatened or compelled by magic, werebears shape-shift from their humanoid forms into mighty bears or hybrids of those two forms. They scare off or sabotage those who threaten the wilds, and they frequently aid Fey, druids, or spirits of the wilderness, as many owe their magical nature to such forces. Werebears take the shape of bears common to the regions in which they dwell, with brown and polar bear forms being common."[/I] [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577147']WEREBOAR[/URL] [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577177']WERERAT[/URL] [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577207']WERETIGER[/URL] [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/lycanthropes-in-the-mm.711185/page-2#post-9577216']WEREWOLF[/URL] What do you think of this new approach? Personally, I would have liked [I]something [/I]that is a nod to the classic silver vulnerability. That being said, WotC did remove the silvering of weapons from the new PHB, so I guess they really don't want that to be a thing anymore. (EDIT: I see that silvered weapons are now a common magic item in the new DMG that deals extra damage to shape-shifters on a crit.) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Lycanthropes in the MM
Top