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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7798553" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I'm not really a pathfinder fan, but I think you might not be alone in your feeling.</p><p></p><p>I get the idea that many who felt betrayed by 4e eventually moved onto Pathfinder because it was compatible with 3.5 and in many ways was it's continuation. Pathfinder in many ways built upon that foundation.</p><p></p><p>Moving so far away from it's roots of 3.5 and even Pathfinder 1e in some ways could feel very similar to the same type of betrayal that people felt at 4e. </p><p></p><p>I do not think Paizo ever had to move onto PF2e IF they had stuck with their original premise. The original idea they had launched was to keep on doing adventures that could be played with 3.5 D&D. They needed a ruleset that was also compatible so that new people coming into it could also play their Adventures.</p><p></p><p>If they had stopped with the Core rulebook and maybe the APG and two or three Bestiaries I think they could have continued for a lot longer of a time with just publishing adventures.</p><p></p><p>However, Paizo expanded FAR beyond the initial premise that the stated. Instead of just making a compatible game system, they expanded it...A LOT. They increased the number of books they made and products. In doing so they also expanded how many people they hired and how many workers they employed. This meant that they had a higher necessary inflow of cash and in order to keep this inflow, they had to keep on making even more rules, more books, and more products.</p><p></p><p>Unlike the original intent they expressed this meant that they could not just do Adventures forever, they needed that extra cash from Pawns, Rulebooks, and other things to fund their additional employees and investments. This meant, that as sales started to slacken off (or the likelihood that they would at least) they needed to have something to reinvigorate them.</p><p></p><p>Ala...Pathfinder 2e.</p><p></p><p>The problem I see is that, just like 4e changed so drastically differently fro 3e and 3.5, Pathfinder 2e from what I've read here, is also very changed from Pathfinder 1e.</p><p></p><p>So, all those that jumped on PF1e because they felt betrayed by 4e, could have a strong possibility of feeling very similarly when Paizo jumped to such a different system than PF1e in their switch to PF2e.</p><p></p><p>I don't think their announcement of the Bestiary is that unusual. Paizo has at times announced many things up to a year in advance, and their release date does not seem to be over a year away for this book.</p><p></p><p>I think they sometimes announce their adventure paths up to a year in advance, and they announced 2e pretty far in advance as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7798553, member: 4348"] I'm not really a pathfinder fan, but I think you might not be alone in your feeling. I get the idea that many who felt betrayed by 4e eventually moved onto Pathfinder because it was compatible with 3.5 and in many ways was it's continuation. Pathfinder in many ways built upon that foundation. Moving so far away from it's roots of 3.5 and even Pathfinder 1e in some ways could feel very similar to the same type of betrayal that people felt at 4e. I do not think Paizo ever had to move onto PF2e IF they had stuck with their original premise. The original idea they had launched was to keep on doing adventures that could be played with 3.5 D&D. They needed a ruleset that was also compatible so that new people coming into it could also play their Adventures. If they had stopped with the Core rulebook and maybe the APG and two or three Bestiaries I think they could have continued for a lot longer of a time with just publishing adventures. However, Paizo expanded FAR beyond the initial premise that the stated. Instead of just making a compatible game system, they expanded it...A LOT. They increased the number of books they made and products. In doing so they also expanded how many people they hired and how many workers they employed. This meant that they had a higher necessary inflow of cash and in order to keep this inflow, they had to keep on making even more rules, more books, and more products. Unlike the original intent they expressed this meant that they could not just do Adventures forever, they needed that extra cash from Pawns, Rulebooks, and other things to fund their additional employees and investments. This meant, that as sales started to slacken off (or the likelihood that they would at least) they needed to have something to reinvigorate them. Ala...Pathfinder 2e. The problem I see is that, just like 4e changed so drastically differently fro 3e and 3.5, Pathfinder 2e from what I've read here, is also very changed from Pathfinder 1e. So, all those that jumped on PF1e because they felt betrayed by 4e, could have a strong possibility of feeling very similarly when Paizo jumped to such a different system than PF1e in their switch to PF2e. I don't think their announcement of the Bestiary is that unusual. Paizo has at times announced many things up to a year in advance, and their release date does not seem to be over a year away for this book. I think they sometimes announce their adventure paths up to a year in advance, and they announced 2e pretty far in advance as well. [/QUOTE]
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