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Mage Armor: What do you get besides armor boost?

Graywolf-ELM

Explorer
What does the Force effect of mage armor work against? The write up is pretty plain, and does not mention the force itself doing much beyond being an AC booster.

Does it block magic missle? Does it have any other "force" benefits? I feel kind of gyped with it.

GW
 
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Rel

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Graywolf-ELM said:
What does the Force effect of mage armor work against? The write up is pretty plain, and does not mention the force itself doing much beyond being an AC booster.

Does it block magic missle? Does it have any other "force" benefits? I feel kind of gyped with it.

GW
My understanding is that it provides the AC bonuse vs. Incorporeal attacks by virtue of the "force" descriptor. Handy against Shadows and the like.
 

BSF

First Post
If I recall correctly, it works against touch attacks. I think it also works against incorporeal creature attacks that otherwise bypass your armor. So it does have application when you use a wand on a fighter in a crypt filled with shadows and the like.
 


shilsen

First Post
Besides the normal benefit of raising armor class, it works against incorporeal touch attacks (not normal touch attacks). That's it. Can't expect more from a 1st-lvl spell, IMNSHO :).
 

Graywolf-ELM

Explorer
Thanks for the comments. I was pretty sure this was the case. I had a Dragon go down to the party Friday night, and I was looking for some other way that it could have gone. he had mage armor up, was taking an enormous beating, and the ignominous death came with the final three attacks being , magic missle, arrow, arrow. He had no shield spell among his repetoire of spells as a sorceror. :(

I did not play the Dragon tough enough in my estimation. Only 2 party members nearly died during the encounter. I just want to make sure I was playing all the abilities correctly.

Thanks,
GW
 

shilsen

First Post
Graywolf-ELM said:
I did not play the Dragon tough enough in my estimation. Only 2 party members nearly died during the encounter. I just want to make sure I was playing all the abilities correctly.

Thanks,
GW
Tsk, tsk! Any time you're running a dragon encounter, just post for help on the General RPG discussion page and you'll get dozens of posts telling you how to deal with the pesky PCs. Long live BADD!
 

Saeviomagy

Adventurer
Graywolf-ELM said:
I did not play the Dragon tough enough in my estimation. Only 2 party members nearly died during the encounter. I just want to make sure I was playing all the abilities correctly.
Did the dragon by any chance have mage armour and cure light wounds as his two spells?

Was he a red dragon with a CR of about 9?

When I played him, 2 characters died out of a party of about 7. One other collapsed. I think I could have been a lot nastier about things, but in the end I think the fight was memorable enough.
 

argo

First Post
Graywolf-ELM said:
Does it block magic missle? Does it have any other "force" benefits? I feel kind of gyped with it.

GW
"gyped"? It provides a decent AC boost with no encumberance, no max dex penalty, no armor check penalty, no arcane spell failure, no proficiency required, it stacks with the Shield spell and it lasts for the better part of a day. What more do you want from a first level spell? :\

It does protect against incorporal touch attacks, which is nice, but not against normal touch attacks.

Later.
 

Graywolf-ELM

Explorer
argo said:
"gyped"? It provides a decent AC boost with no encumberance, no max dex penalty, no armor check penalty, no arcane spell failure, no proficiency required, it stacks with the Shield spell and it lasts for the better part of a day. What more do you want from a first level spell? :\

It does protect against incorporal touch attacks, which is nice, but not against normal touch attacks.

Later.
When you put it that way, I see what you mean. You guys have set my mind right on this.

Thanks,
GW
 

Graywolf-ELM

Explorer
Saeviomagy said:
Did the dragon by any chance have mage armour and cure light wounds as his two spells?

Was he a red dragon with a CR of about 9?

When I played him, 2 characters died out of a party of about 7. One other collapsed. I think I could have been a lot nastier about things, but in the end I think the fight was memorable enough.
No CLW, he was Red, but is no longer. The Warband has an Ogre, a wolf riding Goblin, 2 more goblins, 4 Orcs, and a kobold. All between 5th and 6th level.

This party does pretty awesome melee damage, and to-hit bonuses rivalling the Dragon's for one or two of them.

If they ever meet one again, it will not go down like this.

GW
 

Saeviomagy

Adventurer
Graywolf-ELM said:
No CLW, he was Red, but is no longer. The Warband has an Ogre, a wolf riding Goblin, 2 more goblins, 4 Orcs, and a kobold. All between 5th and 6th level.

This party does pretty awesome melee damage, and to-hit bonuses rivalling the Dragon's for one or two of them.

GW
So hammer them from the air. Breath weapons rule.
 

Graywolf-ELM

Explorer
Saeviomagy said:
So hammer them from the air. Breath weapons rule.
That would have worked, had they not been in his lair. The combat moved outside, only after he had taken more than 3/4 of his hp in damage already. Two good arrows and a magic missle killed him. ;( To top it off, they defeaned him with a thunderstone, lowsy saving throw.

GW
 

domino

First Post
So, would Mage Armor provide protection against Brilliant Energy weapons?

From Brilliant Energy
Armor bonuses to AC (including any enhancement bonuses to that armor) do not count against it because the weapon passes through armor.
And from Mage Armor
An invisible but tangible field of force surrounds the subject of a mage armor spell, providing a +4 armor bonus to AC.
Except that the armor bonus from Mage Armor isn't from material, but force. So would it count as trying to make an incoporeal touch attack, instead of a normal one?
 

AuraSeer

Prismatic Programmer
Briliiant energy doesn't care what the armor is made of, it only cares about the bonus type.

A BE weapon ignores all armor bonuses. Mage armor grants an armor bonus, therefore it gets bypassed.
 


sfedi

First Post
Graywolf-ELM said:
I did not play the Dragon tough enough in my estimation. Only 2 party members nearly died during the encounter. I just want to make sure I was playing all the abilities correctly.
Dragons, and sorcerers for that matter, should know Shield instead of armor.
You can cast armor from a Wand or Scroll.
Or at higher levels.

Just IMHO
(at least, I always run Dragons that way)
 

shilsen

First Post
sfedi said:
Dragons, and sorcerers for that matter, should know Shield instead of armor.
You can cast armor from a Wand or Scroll.
Or at higher levels.

Just IMHO
(at least, I always run Dragons that way)
I don't see the reason for your distinguishing between the two. You can cast Shield from a wand or scroll too. Is it because Shield blocks Magic Missiles?
 

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