D&D 5E Magic Initiate, High Elf Cantrip and Proficiency Bonus

[Paraxis]

So from my reading of the rules neither the magic initiate feat or the high elf cantrip ability give you any kind of proficiency bonus to either attack rolls with the spells or get to increase the save DC. There is also no focus associated with either.

I think I will let either gain the proficiency bonus with a spell component pouch, at my table. How are other people going to run it? Is there something I missed and they get to add it by the book without house ruling it?

 

[jadrax]

So from my reading of the rules neither the magic initiate feat or the high elf cantrip ability give you any kind of proficiency bonus to either attack rolls with the spells or get to increase the save DC. There is also no focus associated with either.

I think I will let either gain the proficiency bonus with a spell component pouch, at my table. How are other people going to run it? Is there something I missed and they get to add it by the book without house ruling it?

Pretty sure you always add you proficiency bonus to spell casting. Will try and find a reference. Don't believe there is a High Elf focus item though.

 

[Remathilis]

So from my reading of the rules neither the magic initiate feat or the high elf cantrip ability give you any kind of proficiency bonus to either attack rolls with the spells or get to increase the save DC. There is also no focus associated with either.

I think I will let either gain the proficiency bonus with a spell component pouch, at my table. How are other people going to run it? Is there something I missed and they get to add it by the book without house ruling it?

IIRC, you use your proficiency bonus whenever you cast a spell. Ergo, you are always "proficient" in a spell you can cast.

 

[jadrax]

Ok, page 7 of the basic rules 0.2.

Proficiency Bonus
The table that appears in your class description shows your proficiency bonus, which is +2 for a 1st-level character. Your proficiency bonus applies to many of the numbers you’ll be recording on your character sheet:
• Attack rolls using weapons you’re proficient with
• Attack rolls with spells you cast
• Ability checks using skills you’re proficient in
• Ability checks using tools you’re proficient with
• Saving throws you’re proficient in
• Saving throw DCs for spells you cast (explained in each spellcasting class)

So you are always proficient in spells.

 

[Rilak]

Anyway, you get a Wizard cantrip with INT as stat. I would assume you are allowed to use a Wizard focus for it although this is not clear (it is a Wizard class feature).

However, the multi-class rules state "a spellcasting focus can be used only for the spells from the class associated with that focus" (which does suggest you could use a Holy Symbol as the focus of a Wizard spell as long as it is also on the Cleric spell list). Or you just pick a cantrip without material components and you can avoid this problem

 

[Kobold Stew]

Which wizard cantrips use material components? Is this even a question?

If there are some, then I would presume the material component is required (or a component pounch/wizard focus).

 

[jadrax]

Which wizard cantrips use material components? Is this even a question?

From Basic: Dancing Lights, Light, Minor Illusion

 

[Thaumaturge]

Come on, now. The material component for minor illusion is just fluff.

Thaumaturge.

 

[mcbobbo]

Come on, now. The material component for minor illusion is just fluff.

Thaumaturge.

/rimshot