Magic Item: Ring of Perminent Shield
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NimrodvanHall
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the way i would calculate the price would be the cost of +4 armor bonus + the cost of magic missile immumity *1.5
for the armor bonus calculation would be 1000*4^2 is 16000gp (like bracers of armory)
for magic missile immumity it would get trickier; i belive a nice way of determining would be this what would an item cost that can cast magic missile 1 time? since counterspell can negate that take the scroll as base we get 1*1*25=25 gp multily this by 100 to get this at will: is 2500gp. beeing plain immume is not as good as the spell to be counterspelled each time it is casted on you, hoever shield can normally not be casted on soemone else, a ring can be worn by anyone, so let these two factors cancel each other out.
the prize would thus be 16000+2500*1.5 = 19750gp
i intesly dislike non round figures in item prises, so have it forgrd out of a fancy material liek cold iron, that fits with its anty magic capability, and price it at 20000 gp.
for the armor bonus calculation would be 1000*4^2 is 16000gp (like bracers of armory)
for magic missile immumity it would get trickier; i belive a nice way of determining would be this what would an item cost that can cast magic missile 1 time? since counterspell can negate that take the scroll as base we get 1*1*25=25 gp multily this by 100 to get this at will: is 2500gp. beeing plain immume is not as good as the spell to be counterspelled each time it is casted on you, hoever shield can normally not be casted on soemone else, a ring can be worn by anyone, so let these two factors cancel each other out.
the prize would thus be 16000+2500*1.5 = 19750gp
i intesly dislike non round figures in item prises, so have it forgrd out of a fancy material liek cold iron, that fits with its anty magic capability, and price it at 20000 gp.
Wand of Shield? 750
Ring of Shield: more, but not absurdly much so. Make it a triggered effect (taking a standard action to turn on, switching back off after a minute) and 4k seems reasonable.
4,000 for a constant effect 1st level spell equivalent item shouldn't just apply to useless first level effects. If it seems too powerful, then the spell is too powerful, and you should house rule it to be higher level. If "dirt cheap" 750 gp is an ok price for 50 charges of something, infinite charges shouldn't be too many orders of magnitude more.
Ring of Shield: more, but not absurdly much so. Make it a triggered effect (taking a standard action to turn on, switching back off after a minute) and 4k seems reasonable.
4,000 for a constant effect 1st level spell equivalent item shouldn't just apply to useless first level effects. If it seems too powerful, then the spell is too powerful, and you should house rule it to be higher level. If "dirt cheap" 750 gp is an ok price for 50 charges of something, infinite charges shouldn't be too many orders of magnitude more.
Hi,
Thanks for all the suggestions, common sence seems to be the way to go. There a number
a first level spell that if using the create wonderous item rule seem to be way to powerful for the cost, ie Expeditious Retreat, protection from evil.
Some other spells mention such as Truestrike and cure light wounds can't actually be make into perminent items because they have a instantaneous effect and do not continue to be active after casting.
Thanks again everybody who contributed, happy Dnding
Zlorf
Thanks for all the suggestions, common sence seems to be the way to go. There a number
a first level spell that if using the create wonderous item rule seem to be way to powerful for the cost, ie Expeditious Retreat, protection from evil.
Some other spells mention such as Truestrike and cure light wounds can't actually be make into perminent items because they have a instantaneous effect and do not continue to be active after casting.
Thanks again everybody who contributed, happy Dnding
Zlorf
Thanee
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zlorf said:
Actually, that's the rules... a +4 shield bonus costs 16,000 gp. It's in the table.
And the rules text also states, that it is easiest to compare with existing items (in this case bracers of armor +4 and brooch of shielding).
Indeed.
A good rule of thumb is, that spells should never use the continuous spell formula, if there is also another formula, which applies and produces a higher cost!
The continuous spell formula is your last stop, only applicable, if nothing else goes!
And always look out for items, that already exist and work in a similar way to check the pricing with them.
Bye
Thanee
Rashak Mani
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Sorry for ressurecting this thread... but it seems that the answer is quite simply in the DM book.
The continuous effect has a "footnote": "If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with the duration measured in rounds, multiply by 4... min/lvl, multiply by 2 ... 10mins/lvl, multiply by 1.5. If the spell has 24hr or greater divide the cost by half."
So a continuous Shield Ring (a 1 min/lvl spell) would cost 1 lvl x 1 lvl caster x 2000 x 2 = 4,000gp. You could throw it at 8000 gp for being 10 rounds only... hehe
Naturally if this is a fair price might be discussable... but 50k ? Too much.
The continuous effect has a "footnote": "If a continuous item has an effect based on a spell with the duration measured in rounds, multiply by 4... min/lvl, multiply by 2 ... 10mins/lvl, multiply by 1.5. If the spell has 24hr or greater divide the cost by half."
So a continuous Shield Ring (a 1 min/lvl spell) would cost 1 lvl x 1 lvl caster x 2000 x 2 = 4,000gp. You could throw it at 8000 gp for being 10 rounds only... hehe
Naturally if this is a fair price might be discussable... but 50k ? Too much.
Sammael
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No. Going by the same logic, bracers of armor +4 should cost 1,000 gp, and we all know that's not the case. An item that grants a permanent shield effect shouldn't cost less than 16,000 gp (which is the price of a pair of bracers of armor +4, and also the cost of adding a +4 enhancement bonus to a shield). I agree with Thanee's 3,000 gp (x1.5) cost for magic missile protection, so 20,500 gp isn't unreasonable.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that at high levels, a brooch of shielding doesn't last very long (5d4+5 = avg. 17.5, which means the brooch can absorb an average of only 5.7 magic missile spells cast by a 9th level caster. Additionally, while the ring (or whatever) of permanent shield does take up a slot, it's not as inconvenient as an actual shield (doesn't require a free hand, doesn't weigh anything, can't be disarmed, etc.). For good measure, I'd multiply the item price by another 1.5 and round it down to 30,000 gp.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that at high levels, a brooch of shielding doesn't last very long (5d4+5 = avg. 17.5, which means the brooch can absorb an average of only 5.7 magic missile spells cast by a 9th level caster. Additionally, while the ring (or whatever) of permanent shield does take up a slot, it's not as inconvenient as an actual shield (doesn't require a free hand, doesn't weigh anything, can't be disarmed, etc.). For good measure, I'd multiply the item price by another 1.5 and round it down to 30,000 gp.
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