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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5843359" data-attributes="member: 82106">I don't have the slightest clue where people get some idea that 4e ever in any way shape or form advocated giving the players what they want. There is ONE SENTENCE in the entire DMG (note, NOT the PHB) where it says &quot;Hey, maybe you want to get a wish list from the players.&quot; ALL it is is a suggestion that the DM might want to know what the players actually want, lol.What the DM does with that information isn't even mentioned. Presumably we're all capable of deciding that. Maybe some DMs want to hand out the player's wish list like candy, fine. Most of us probably won't exactly do that. I give out what I feel like giving out. If it happens to be on the player's wish list, bully for them. If not and they want something bad enough, they can go find it. I'll happily cook up some plot hook for them. Why not? It is just no more or less of an issue than it ever has been in any edition of the game. I mean it ain't like every 1e fighter didn't want a Girdle of Storm Giant Strength, a +5 weapon, +5 armor, a +3 shield, and a +3 Ring of Protection, right? Of course they did.It won't be any different in 5e. Maybe the items the players want will be different and maybe they will or won't be as powerful as they were in AD&amp;D, who knows? Given that 4e items are mostly pretty mild and players STILL want specific items I doubt anything much will change regardless.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5843359, member: 82106"] I don't have the slightest clue where people get some idea that 4e ever in any way shape or form advocated giving the players what they want. There is ONE SENTENCE in the entire DMG (note, NOT the PHB) where it says "Hey, maybe you want to get a wish list from the players." ALL it is is a suggestion that the DM might want to know what the players actually want, lol. What the DM does with that information isn't even mentioned. Presumably we're all capable of deciding that. Maybe some DMs want to hand out the player's wish list like candy, fine. Most of us probably won't exactly do that. I give out what I feel like giving out. If it happens to be on the player's wish list, bully for them. If not and they want something bad enough, they can go find it. I'll happily cook up some plot hook for them. Why not? It is just no more or less of an issue than it ever has been in any edition of the game. I mean it ain't like every 1e fighter didn't want a Girdle of Storm Giant Strength, a +5 weapon, +5 armor, a +3 shield, and a +3 Ring of Protection, right? Of course they did. It won't be any different in 5e. Maybe the items the players want will be different and maybe they will or won't be as powerful as they were in AD&D, who knows? Given that 4e items are mostly pretty mild and players STILL want specific items I doubt anything much will change regardless. [/QUOTE]

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