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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8790760" data-attributes="member: 93670">Lots of spells were dramatically buffed in 5e's streamlining & simplification with nonsensical results for the spell level. hypnotic pattern is a good example when you compare <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/hypnotic-pattern" target="_blank">the 5e version</a> to older versions of that spell.  Even going back to check the 2e version has the 5e one more powerful than either edition  back when magic was super powered[spoiler="2e"]Hypnotic Pattern(Illusion/Phantasm)Range: 30 yds. Components: S, MDuration: Special Casting Time: 2Area of Effect: 30-ft. cube Saving Throw: Neg. When this spell is cast, the wizard creates a weaving, twisting pat-tern of subtle colors in the air. This pattern causes any creature look-ing at it to become fascinated and stand gazing at it as long as the spellcaster maintains the display, plus two rounds thereafter. The spell can captivate a maximum of 24 levels, or Hit Dice, of creatures (for example, 24 creatures with 1 Hit Die each, 12 with 2 Hit Dice, etc.). All creatures affected must be within the area of effect, and each is entitled to a saving throw vs. spell. A damage-inflicting attack on an affected creature frees it from the spell immediately. The wizard need not utter a sound, but he must gesture appropri-ately while holding a glowing stick of incense or a crystal rod filled with phosphorescent material.[/spoiler][spoiler="3.5"]<h3>Hypnotic Pattern</h3><h4><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#illusion" target="_blank">Illusion</a> (<a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#pattern" target="_blank">Pattern</a>) [<a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#descriptor" target="_blank">Mind-Affecting</a>]</h4> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#level" target="_blank">Level</a>:</th><td><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/bardSpells.htm#secondLevelBardSpells" target="_blank">Brd 2</a>, <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spellLists/sorcererWizardSpells.htm#secondLevelSorcererWizardSpells" target="_blank">Sor/Wiz 2</a></td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#components" target="_blank">Components</a>:</th><td>V (Brd only), S, M; see text</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#castingTime" target="_blank">Casting Time</a>:</th><td>1 <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#standardActions" target="_blank">standard action</a></td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#range" target="_blank">Range</a>:</th><td>Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#effect" target="_blank">Effect</a>:</th><td>Colorful lights in a 10-ft.-radius spread</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#duration" target="_blank">Duration</a>:</th><td><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/concentration.htm" target="_blank">Concentration</a> + 2 rounds</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#savingThrow" target="_blank">Saving Throw</a>:</th><td>Will negates</td></tr><tr><th><a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#spellResistance" target="_blank">Spell Resistance</a>:</th><td>Yes</td></tr></table>A twisting pattern of subtle, shifting colors weaves through the air, <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/conditionSummary.htm#fascinated" target="_blank">fascinating</a> creatures within it. Roll <a href="https://www.enworld.org/javascript%3Avoid(0);" target="_blank">2d4</a> and add your caster level (maximum 10) to determine the total number of Hit Dice of creatures affected. Creatures with the fewest HD are affected first; and, among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell’s point of origin are affected first. Hit Dice that are not sufficient to affect a creature are wasted. Affected creatures become fascinated by the pattern of colors. Sightless creatures are not affected.A <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#wizard" target="_blank">wizard</a> or <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#sorcerer" target="_blank">sorcerer</a> need not utter a sound to cast this spell, but a <a href="https://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm" target="_blank">bard</a> must sing, play music, or recite a rhyme as a verbal component.<h4>Material Component</h4>[/spoiler][spoiler="5e"]LEVEL3rdCASTING TIME1 ActionRANGE/AREA120 ft (30 ft )COMPONENTSS, M *DURATIONConcentration 1 MinuteSCHOOLIllusionATTACK/SAVEWIS SaveDAMAGE/EFFECTCharmedYou create a twisting pattern of colors that weaves through the air inside a 30-foot cube within range. The pattern appears for a moment and vanishes. Each creature in the area who sees the pattern must make a Wisdom saving throw. On a failed save, the creature becomes <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/appendix-a-conditions#Charmed" target="_blank">charmed</a> for the duration. While <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/appendix-a-conditions#Charmed" target="_blank">charmed</a> by this spell, the creature is <a href="https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/appendix-a-conditions#Incapacitated" target="_blank">incapacitated</a> and has a speed of 0.The spell ends for an affected creature if it takes any damage or if someone else uses an action to shake the creature out of its stupor.[/spoiler]Bizarrely the 5e version dramatically bumps the AoE size over 3.5 & bumps both aoe as well as range over 2e yet removes the hit dice limit from both all while removing the hurdle of being SR:yes from 3.5.</blockquote>

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