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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1365565" data-attributes="member: 224">Arg.&nbsp; I wish this page wasn't so Wide!&nbsp; I think it's the code commands, right?&nbsp; Grrr.&nbsp; I'd like a nice simple
<table style='width: 100%'></table> tag, or something. 
 
 
 
I'm unsure.&nbsp; Hence the post. 
 
Before I go point for point:
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<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I whole-heartedly agree that role-playing bonuses or penalties don't factor into the ECL, which is what we're factoring here.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">I diagree with the tactic: &quot;A magic item could take care of this.&quot; Magic items are irrelevant.</li>
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Okay, now to the points: 
 
Point buy: 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Kobolds get pretty good bonuses here....however that -4 Str really hurts in all but Sor and Wiz.&nbsp; Given how combat works, even a sneak attacking rogue is hurt with Str.&nbsp;&nbsp; So kobolds would make poorer Rogues, all in all.&nbsp; They would make good Sor, though. 
 
Light Sensitivity/Darkvision: 
&nbsp;&nbsp; The pairing here is intentional.&nbsp; From one you get the other.&nbsp; As for ways around the light sensitivity...well, there are similar ways to gain Darkvision.&nbsp; A draw, I'd say. 
 
Lack of Saving Throw bonuses 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Here's where I'm waffling.&nbsp; I'm thinking a +2 Nat. Armor might be better.&nbsp; But before you leap to that, check out what the halfling and gnome get instead =&gt; saves and bonuses to hit. 
 
Skills: Halfling shines here.&nbsp; As to higher skill points over the PCs lifetime....well, that's true, but not all that compelling.&nbsp; Still it is a point.&nbsp; Perhaps strike the +2 Int?&nbsp; Hmmmm..... 
 
Speed: Yup, the kobold's got this one covered.&nbsp; A definate advantage. 
 
Darkvision 90' 
&nbsp;&nbsp; As above, but....your likely to see more monsters with this, especially if there's Light Sensitivity.&nbsp; (An aside: Orcs, IMC, do not have Light Sensitivity, so their Darkvision is 60'.) 
 
Spell-like Abilities [Mending, Message] 
&nbsp;&nbsp; Not too shabby, but not game breaking 
 
...out of time!!!!!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1365565, member: 224"] Arg. I wish this page wasn't so Wide! I think it's the code commands, right? Grrr. I'd like a nice simple [table] tag, or something. I'm unsure. Hence the post. Before I go point for point: [list][*]I whole-heartedly agree that role-playing bonuses or penalties don't factor into the ECL, which is what we're factoring here. [*]I diagree with the tactic: "A magic item could take care of this." Magic items are irrelevant.[/list] Okay, now to the points: Point buy: Kobolds get pretty good bonuses here....however that -4 Str really hurts in all but Sor and Wiz. Given how combat works, even a sneak attacking rogue is hurt with Str. So kobolds would make poorer Rogues, all in all. They would make good Sor, though. Light Sensitivity/Darkvision: The pairing here is intentional. From one you get the other. As for ways around the light sensitivity...well, there are similar ways to gain Darkvision. A draw, I'd say. Lack of Saving Throw bonuses Here's where I'm waffling. I'm thinking a +2 Nat. Armor might be better. But before you leap to that, check out what the halfling and gnome get instead => saves and bonuses to hit. Skills: Halfling shines here. As to higher skill points over the PCs lifetime....well, that's true, but not all that compelling. Still it is a point. Perhaps strike the +2 Int? Hmmmm..... Speed: Yup, the kobold's got this one covered. A definate advantage. Darkvision 90' As above, but....your likely to see more monsters with this, especially if there's Light Sensitivity. (An aside: Orcs, IMC, do not have Light Sensitivity, so their Darkvision is 60'.) Spell-like Abilities [Mending, Message] Not too shabby, but not game breaking ...out of time!!!!![/table] [/QUOTE]

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