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<blockquote data-quote="Urriak Uruk" data-source="post: 7889809" data-attributes="member: 7015558"><p>So there's actually three broad opinions on this. Didn't name 2 or 3 as they don't really have names.</p><p></p><p>Pure Nativists: These are the worst of the worst, and I don't think anyone here actually agrees with this POV. They're the ones who think all immigration is bad as it dilutes the national stock, yadda yadda racist stuff. They don't like any of this analogies, melting pot, cook out, whatever.</p><p></p><p>Group 2: This group believes that the state X has certain national traits that all citizens should adhere to. I'll use the French as the example, because their probably the biggest adherents of this; if you become a citizen of France, you are French, nothing more nothing less. There are no African-French, Hispanic-French, Chinese-French, you are French. Although from one POV this seems fine, there is a degree of assimilation here, especially when you consider how France (and Quebec) have certain laws that try to make the citizens "more French" like not being allowed to wear certain clothes or symbols. And citizenship is treated as an "award" that one can earn by good/moral deeds, as if doing immoral deeds means you are not French. For example, an African man who rescued a child from falling off a balcony was given French citizenship, while most African migrants are not.</p><p>The melting pot is largely this analogy, as when a new person is added to the pot, the "melt" into the national soup; yes this changes the pot as a whole, but everyone in the end becomes the same.</p><p></p><p>Group 3: This group recognizes that people can both be a citizen of state X, and take seriously certain national traits, while at the same time maintain elements of the citizen's culture of origin. This is largely Canada's modus operandi (excluding Quebec, which goes by Group 2 rules), and certain U.S. states like California. The idea here is it is absolutely fine to be African-Canadian, Chinese-Canadian, Indian-Canadian, etc, and it is also ok to keep elements of your original culture. So wearing a turban as a Sikh while also being a member of parliament and leader of a political party is considered perfectly fine, and there is no expectation that everyone must speak the same language, have the same religion, etc. The idea is that although we all buy into certain national beliefs (equality, justice, democracy, etc), we are also supposed to respect each others differences.</p><p>This is the "cultural mosaic" POV, that everyone has elements of culture that are different, but everyone is still Canadian. It's one that Canada has been forced to adopt because for such a small country has a pretty big divide between the French-Anglo split, and the Indigenous population. And there is still plenty of racism in Canada despite this model (today largely toward Indigenous peoples). But I still find this Group 3 model a much better model to adopt in the modern world with much more free-flowing movement of people and culture.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Urriak Uruk, post: 7889809, member: 7015558"] So there's actually three broad opinions on this. Didn't name 2 or 3 as they don't really have names. Pure Nativists: These are the worst of the worst, and I don't think anyone here actually agrees with this POV. They're the ones who think all immigration is bad as it dilutes the national stock, yadda yadda racist stuff. They don't like any of this analogies, melting pot, cook out, whatever. Group 2: This group believes that the state X has certain national traits that all citizens should adhere to. I'll use the French as the example, because their probably the biggest adherents of this; if you become a citizen of France, you are French, nothing more nothing less. There are no African-French, Hispanic-French, Chinese-French, you are French. Although from one POV this seems fine, there is a degree of assimilation here, especially when you consider how France (and Quebec) have certain laws that try to make the citizens "more French" like not being allowed to wear certain clothes or symbols. And citizenship is treated as an "award" that one can earn by good/moral deeds, as if doing immoral deeds means you are not French. For example, an African man who rescued a child from falling off a balcony was given French citizenship, while most African migrants are not. The melting pot is largely this analogy, as when a new person is added to the pot, the "melt" into the national soup; yes this changes the pot as a whole, but everyone in the end becomes the same. Group 3: This group recognizes that people can both be a citizen of state X, and take seriously certain national traits, while at the same time maintain elements of the citizen's culture of origin. This is largely Canada's modus operandi (excluding Quebec, which goes by Group 2 rules), and certain U.S. states like California. The idea here is it is absolutely fine to be African-Canadian, Chinese-Canadian, Indian-Canadian, etc, and it is also ok to keep elements of your original culture. So wearing a turban as a Sikh while also being a member of parliament and leader of a political party is considered perfectly fine, and there is no expectation that everyone must speak the same language, have the same religion, etc. The idea is that although we all buy into certain national beliefs (equality, justice, democracy, etc), we are also supposed to respect each others differences. This is the "cultural mosaic" POV, that everyone has elements of culture that are different, but everyone is still Canadian. It's one that Canada has been forced to adopt because for such a small country has a pretty big divide between the French-Anglo split, and the Indigenous population. And there is still plenty of racism in Canada despite this model (today largely toward Indigenous peoples). But I still find this Group 3 model a much better model to adopt in the modern world with much more free-flowing movement of people and culture. [/QUOTE]
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