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I have decided not to pursue the MassiveSRD at this point, but let me answer you first.

Perhaps I wasn't clear on the matter, but the point of my suggestions wasn't that such a project needs a publisher's approval, but rather that the publisher's needs and wants should not be altogether ignored. I wasn't suggesting doing whatever the publisher wants, rather I was basically saying that he should be contacted so we'll hear what he has to say on the matter.
And I was putting forth guidelines on what I thought was important to include, and what wasn't - for example, I am generally unimpressed with most fluff and am amiable to cutting it, especially if this leaves room for the actual product to be superior (as I DO want publishers to sell books, in general). I wouldn't do the same for crunch. That's my opinion, so I offered it as a criterion, but I ain't married to the idea.
I did NOT intend to say one must acquire the publisher's approval for the extraction. I do wish to get his approval to post links and names that will properly idenitify the work and authors (something I can't do without his consent), which may come with its own terms (post a link to his store, an ad, whatever). His approval of the final text would also be nice as a legal safety net. And I was also suggesting not publishing major fluff without his approval, but that's just because I don't think highly of it on one hand but want to support publishers making fluff OGC on the other. That's all the approvals I can think of, none of them are actually needed.

As for why I won't be doing it, it comes down to several reasons: a) I don't want to curtail future OGC publications from certain publishers, and I was convinced such a project might do that, and b) I decided a proper format has to be established prior to extraction or else much of the work would be in vain; my attempts to settle on one haven't been quite succeful, the most extensive project seems to be here, but it's moved well beyond my ability to contribute, and c) I decided small non-exhaustive extracts of useful stuff, updated and revised for my taste, would be something I want more, so I'm moving in that direction. And d), I don't have much time to work on non-work anyways, so it's kind of on the back burner due to all of the above.
I tried to set upa wiki here, but decided it isn't really comfortable.
 

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TheAuldGrump said:
Hmmm, Phil, your free PDFs were what started me buying Ronin Arts stuff. And I have bought a fair amount now, though not always in the lines that the free PDFs were for. (I only have one or two Dozens, ditto for 101s, but a bunch of your larger works and compilations.)

Okay, thanks for the info. I guess that just because I can't track the effect doesn't mean that there _isn't_ an effect.
 

Part of it can be from a delayed effect, the purchases in my case didn't happen until after I had used the free material in game.

The Auld Grump
 
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Quite often I've been approached by gamers asking me to put the OGC of other publishers' spells/creatures/powers into our trusty card layout (see signature if you don't know what I'm talking about ;) ).

My answer is always (among other things): If that other publisher wants us to.

I'm not going to pillage another publisher's OGC just to publish more cards - as tempting as that thought might be. IMHO it just wouldn't be fair.

I would use OGC in other (non-card) products if any particular feat/spell/creature etc. would fit. That's one of the benefits of the OGC: you don't have to re-design any concept that another writer/publisher has already done (and declared OGC).

Simply collecting all the OGC and republishing it (for free or not) is indeed a bad idea. Sure, nobody could stop me if I wanted to grab MMS:WE (100% OGC) and republish it at half price or for free. But why would I want to do that? To hurt Expeditious Retreat?


The SRD, as the very foundation of the d20 System, is IMHO a different matter. Therefore we did what we did. And we did the Dark Arts of Necromancy Spell Cards, in full cooperation with Anubium, the publisher of Dark Arts of Necromancy. (FYE: There are similar cooperations pending.)
 

TheAuldGrump said:
Part of it can be from a delayed effect, the purchases in my case didn't happen until after I had used the free material in game.

It always makes me feel tingly when people talk about using my stuff in their games. Such a great feeling.
 


Man-thing said:

One huge project involving spells, and another (not so huge) involving item cards.

I won't like to talk about publisher names until the deals are settled...
But this isn't the place to talk about it anyway, OT and all.
 

philreed said:
It always makes me feel tingly when people talk about using my stuff in their games. Such a great feeling.

Then you will be happy to know that the chocolate shop is one of the groups favorite places to plot & scheme!

The Auld Grump, because scheming and hot chocolate go so well together...
 

Mark said:
It doesn't just say that you cannot use their name or trademark, it also says that you cannot "indicate" compatibility. That basically blows any of the plans to sidestep right out of the water. Would such a thing dilute a trademark and compel a lawsuit? It doesn't matter how you answer because it isn't up to you. In fact, it isn't up to the person(s) who owns the trademark...unless they want to keep it. Because, to protect a trademark, they are legally required to defend it, so if you tread on it they have no real choice but to bring a suit against anyone involved in such an enterprise.

No, it says you can't use trademarks or PI to indicate compatibility, and says you can't use the creator's name to market or advertise. It never gives a blanket prohibition against indicating compatibility, nor a blanket prohibition against using the creator's name.
 

woodelf said:
No, it says you can't use trademarks or PI to indicate compatibility, and says you can't use the creator's name to market or advertise. It never gives a blanket prohibition against indicating compatibility, nor a blanket prohibition against using the creator's name.

Read it again. If you use some method (beyond section 15) to identify where the OGC is from , and you do not have permission, then you are violating the license.

from the OGL said:
2. The License: This License applies to any Open Game Content that contains a notice indicating that the Open Game Content may only be Used under and in terms of this License. You must affix such a notice to any Open Game Content that you Use. No terms may be added to or subtracted from this License except as described by the License itself. No other terms or conditions may be applied to any Open Game Content distributed using this License.

...and...

from the OGL said:
7. Use of Product Identity: You agree not to Use any Product Identity, including as an indication as to compatibility, except as expressly licensed in another, independent Agreement with the owner of each element of that Product Identity. You agree not to indicate compatibility or co-adaptability with any Trademark or Registered Trademark in conjunction with a work containing Open Game Content except as expressly licensed in another, independent Agreement with the owner of such Trademark or Registered Trademark. The use of any Product Identity in Open Game Content does not constitute a challenge to the ownership of that Product Identity. The owner of any Product Identity used in Open Game Content shall retain all rights, title and interest in and to that Product Identity.

...and...

from the OGL said:
11. Use of Contributor Credits: You may not market or advertise the Open Game Content using the name of any Contributor unless You have written permission from the Contributor to do so.
 

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